Author Topic: F48 Output Diagram  (Read 1271 times)

Offline frederic

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Join Date: Jan 2019
  • Location:
  • Posts: 3
  • Kudos: 1
F48 Output Diagram
« on: January 05, 2019, 07:33:25 AM »
Hello,
I was wondering if the pinout of the F48 jacks was available to the public, as well as a rough idea of what should be on the other end (RS485 chip possibly?)  I've been trying to find this info here and on the web in general but was unsuccessful.
The reason for my asking is some of my display elements aren't grouped in 4's and already have an RS485 chip as a receiver, expecting ws2812 type single wire pixel data coming in.  What I need to do for those elements is ungroup four channels physically and send them in their own direction.
I can do this a variety of other ways, but the high density of the F48 really appeals to me.



Offline CaptainMurdoch

  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2013
  • Location: Washington
  • Posts: 9,856
  • Kudos: 214
Re: F48 Output Diagram
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2019, 08:23:34 AM »
The first serial port on the F16v2/v3 can be used to drive the same 4-port differential receiver, so the pinout for the 12 RJ45 jacks on the F48 and on the F16v3 differential expansion board are all wired the same way.  You can find that pinout on page 19 of the F16v3 manual which is linked to on the F16v3 product page:  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S67ZVLgQRYsdqPhgfPkQucnFXvu1FmQAME9qnK5RixU  It uses the normal colored pairs with one pair per RS-485 signal.  The Falcon receiver boards use a quad differential receiver but you could hook up 4 individual RS-485 chips on the individual outputs.
-
Chris

Offline Ebuechner

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Join Date: Apr 2016
  • Location: Madison WI
  • Posts: 316
  • Kudos: 10
Re: F48 Output Diagram
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2019, 11:34:58 AM »
That's exactly how I'm using my f48. I made a breakout board to drive several receivers that I used to have connected to a few DIYLEDExpress 6 Port Bridge.

Offline frederic

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Join Date: Jan 2019
  • Location:
  • Posts: 3
  • Kudos: 1
Re: F48 Output Diagram
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2019, 09:34:01 AM »
Thank you very much.  Now that I know it can be done, and you gave me the diagram, I'll be mounting one of these on a shelf in a 19" rack enclosure (small flight case) and separating the outputs to a 48 port patch panel.
Sweet and thank you!
It seems I need to glasses.  I can barely read the "verification" for my replies and posts!

Offline CaptainMurdoch

  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2013
  • Location: Washington
  • Posts: 9,856
  • Kudos: 214
Re: F48 Output Diagram
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2019, 10:40:36 AM »
It seems I need to glasses.  I can barely read the "verification" for my replies and posts!

That will go away once you have a few more posts.  Its there to help block the spammers.

Offline frederic

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Join Date: Jan 2019
  • Location:
  • Posts: 3
  • Kudos: 1
Re: F48 Output Diagram
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2019, 07:51:51 PM »
I know and it's cool.  Doesn't change the fact I can't see it well ! lol

Offline algerdes

  • Supporting Member
  • ******
  • Join Date: Apr 2014
  • Location: Lebanon, Illinois
  • Posts: 915
  • Kudos: 13
Re: F48 Output Diagram
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2019, 08:48:04 AM »
That's exactly how I'm using my f48. I made a breakout board to drive several receivers that I used to have connected to a few DIYLEDExpress 6 Port Bridge.


Are you saying you have connected DIYLEDExpress' Pixel Extender to the F16 outputs?
Sequencers: Vixen3 and xLights
Players: FPP and xSchedule Controllers:  Renards - SS24/SS16; E1.31 - San Devices E682 - Falcon F16, F4, F48 - J1Sys - DIYLEDExpress E1.31 Bridges.  Much more!

Offline Ebuechner

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Join Date: Apr 2016
  • Location: Madison WI
  • Posts: 316
  • Kudos: 10
Re: F48 Output Diagram
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2019, 06:02:06 PM »
That's exactly how I'm using my f48. I made a breakout board to drive several receivers that I used to have connected to a few DIYLEDExpress 6 Port Bridge.


Are you saying you have connected DIYLEDExpress' Pixel Extender to the F16 outputs?
I'm so sorry for the late reply.
Yes I use the pixel extenders on my f48, but I've also used them off of my F-16.

Offline sklankowski

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Join Date: Sep 2017
  • Location: La Crosse, WI
  • Posts: 60
  • Kudos: 0
    • Rotary Lights
Re: F48 Output Diagram
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2019, 01:19:01 PM »
The first serial port on the F16v2/v3 can be used to drive the same 4-port differential receiver, so the pinout for the 12 RJ45 jacks on the F48 and on the F16v3 differential expansion board are all wired the same way.  You can find that pinout on page 19 of the F16v3 manual which is linked to on the F16v3 product page:  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S67ZVLgQRYsdqPhgfPkQucnFXvu1FmQAME9qnK5RixU  It uses the normal colored pairs with one pair per RS-485 signal.  The Falcon receiver boards use a quad differential receiver but you could hook up 4 individual RS-485 chips on the individual outputs.
Are you suggesting I could use the Falcon 4-String Differential Receiver Board but only could connect one, two, or three of the pairs of data to send data to one, two, or three of the ports on the falcon board, and run the fourth to another single differential board?

Another way, for the falcon 4-String Differential Receiver Board to operate, does all four data pairs need to come into it?, or can I break those out. 
 

Offline CaptainMurdoch

  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2013
  • Location: Washington
  • Posts: 9,856
  • Kudos: 214
Re: F48 Output Diagram
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2019, 01:24:57 PM »
Are you suggesting I could use the Falcon 4-String Differential Receiver Board but only could connect one, two, or three of the pairs of data to send data to one, two, or three of the ports on the falcon board, and run the fourth to another single differential board?

Another way, for the falcon 4-String Differential Receiver Board to operate, does all four data pairs need to come into it?, or can I break those out.

Yep, same thing I just noted in the other thread.  You can use David's pre-assembled 4-port receiver and just run one pair of wires to it.  That would leave the other 3 fused outputs for later use or for power injection if needed.

Offline sklankowski

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Join Date: Sep 2017
  • Location: La Crosse, WI
  • Posts: 60
  • Kudos: 0
    • Rotary Lights
Re: F48 Output Diagram
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2019, 03:29:14 PM »
Now to confirm F48 Specs: with total 48 outputs, each output can possible drive "upto 1022" pixels (49056 pixels, 147,168 ch.) at 20 fps, however the board is limited to 96 universes total allowing 16,384 pixels (49,152 ch.).  A true balancing act ahead to determine universes of channels on outputs. 
 

Offline mikeklingler

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Join Date: Dec 2018
  • Location:
  • Posts: 9
  • Kudos: 0
Re: F48 Output Diagram
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2019, 07:38:32 PM »
Do you have a users document yet for the F48 Differential board, like you have for the F16 at the following location?


https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S67ZVLgQRYsdqPhgfPkQucnFXvu1FmQAME9qnK5RixU

Offline Tesla09

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Join Date: Feb 2019
  • Location:
  • Posts: 2
  • Kudos: 0
Re: F48 Output Diagram
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2019, 01:27:32 PM »
I have a question for the f16v3 on the 4 port differential board  have many pixles can u run off each port

Offline K-State Fan

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Join Date: Dec 2014
  • Location:
  • Posts: 313
  • Kudos: 5
Re: F48 Output Diagram
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2019, 05:07:39 AM »
I have a question for the f16v3 on the 4 port differential board  have many pixles can u run off each port
Depends on where the slider is set. The max of 1024 is shared with expansion boards.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2019, 05:53:47 AM by K-State Fan »

Offline Todd

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Join Date: Jan 2017
  • Location: Kimberly, Wisconsin
  • Posts: 306
  • Kudos: 6
Re: F48 Output Diagram
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2019, 09:25:56 AM »
You do not get bonus ports by doing it this way. You need to split the max pixels between the controller and expansion boards by adjusting the slider to how many you want on each.
Todd L.
Kimberly, WI

Falcon F16V3 F48, FPP, X-Lights, LOR, Pi 3B

 

Back to top