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Offline David Pitts

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Future of Falcon NEO
« on: January 07, 2015, 08:57:54 AM »
The Captain has got FPP running on the Beagle Bone Black. There is still more work to do but he is confident that we will have the BBB as an alternative this year.

He brought to my attention that there is this project that allows user to drive 64 P10 panels from BBB direclty with a small inexpensive cape that is readily available to purchase from OshPark.

http://www.nycresistor.com/2013/09/12/octoscroller/
https://trmm.net/LEDscape/Setup
https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/63dzPc8l

So my question is should we continue to work on NEO or just buy this $20.00 board and parts and a BBB to drive our P10 panels? The NEO will be like triple the cost because of the $21.00 FPGA ($60.00) and more coding which I do not mind but the time could be spent on other led projects (Xlights, F16v2, power/pixel board for BBB).     

I will let the Captain answer some of the technical questions regarding the BBB and this cape. If we choose to go BBB and cape I will refund the 15.00 to the Beta team so we can all buy capes for BBB.
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Re: Future of Falcon NEO
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2015, 09:05:38 AM »
For me, the value propsition of Neo was:

1) tight integration with FPP... possibly avoiding the reliance on e1.31.
2) having flexibility of panel arrangement

Since FPP has taken on the challenge of #2...
and, the new proposal addresses #1...  I don't see the value of continuing with Neo and taking you away from the other important projects.

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Offline JerryPlak

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Re: Future of Falcon NEO
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2015, 09:11:30 AM »
Hmm very interesting
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Re: Future of Falcon NEO
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2015, 09:36:19 AM »
I agree with Steve. I just started following this project, (always late to the party). All exciting stuff!
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Re: Future of Falcon NEO
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2015, 09:56:42 AM »
If a solution is already available, it fits the need, and it's plug and play, that seams like the way to go.  I just hope that you are working on what drives you because your talent is hugely appreciated.

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Re: Future of Falcon NEO
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2015, 09:59:50 AM »
As long as there is no functional lose by not doing Neo and going with Octoscroller I say that the FPP team has better things to focus their efforts on.

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Re: Future of Falcon NEO
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2015, 10:03:41 AM »
As long as there is no functional lose by not doing Neo and going with Octoscroller I say that the FPP team has better things to focus their efforts on.

Frank

This is my feeling as well, minus some of the big words : )

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Re: Future of Falcon NEO
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2015, 11:27:23 AM »
The one challenge is that OSH Park is a minimum 3 units order. I think we may still want to coordinate a buy to make the process smoother for everyone.

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Re: Future of Falcon NEO
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2015, 02:07:41 PM »
I trust you guys as this went from little over my head to way over my head. 
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Re: Future of Falcon NEO
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2015, 02:19:47 PM »
The one challenge is that OSH Park is a minimum 3 units order. I think we may still want to coordinate a buy to make the process smoother for everyone.

Frank

David,

If the decision is made to stop development of the Falcon NEO, would it be possible for you to use the money that has already be paid to order the cape for those people?  I would be ok with just getting the one cape for $10+shipping and you could use the leftover for additional capes to put in the store.   Just trying to think of a way that you would not have to go through the refund process and to save the beta testers some money also.

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Re: Future of Falcon NEO
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2015, 02:21:25 PM »
The one challenge is that OSH Park is a minimum 3 units order. I think we may still want to coordinate a buy to make the process smoother for everyone.

I brought up the 3-PCB minimum to Dave when I first mentioned this to him.  I have already looked at what a minimum 25-board group buy could do to the pricing and it looks like it could drop the price into the $10-12 area not including shipping from the buyer to the group.  25 boards would be enough to get OSH Park's medium run pricing and could also take advantage of bulk pricing of the few components on the board.  50 boards wouldn't change the pricing that much more since the bulk of the price is the board itself because there are so few components.

I've already ordered the parts to build a few of these and will start working on the FPP code so hopefully the basic output portion is ready by the time the boards arrive.
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Re: Future of Falcon NEO
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2015, 02:44:14 PM »
Hmm issue with migrating to the Beagle Bone Black would be no aux out, meaning those with older non HDMI projectors would be SOL. The single usb port would also be a tough pill to swallow..

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Re: Future of Falcon NEO
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2015, 02:45:40 PM »
I would concur that the neo should be retired and not come back in matrix 2 matrix 3 or matrix 21.

Dave's amazing talents would be better suited to to re-inventing the wheel and the BBB sounds like it could do this and FPP work at the same time and not even be starting to break a sweat. :'(

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Re: Future of Falcon NEO
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2015, 02:55:27 PM »
I would concur that the neo should be retired and not come back in matrix 2 matrix 3 or matrix 21.

LOL!  This stuff is so over my head I am laughing about "capes".  I hope mine is red...

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Re: Future of Falcon NEO
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2015, 02:55:44 PM »
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Bitter sweet. 20 Neo boards just arrived.

 

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