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Falcon Christmas => F16V3 Pixel Controller => Topic started by: compfire on January 02, 2019, 02:10:33 PM

Title: Will a "10W RGB LED floodwith 4 wire PWM" work on a F16v3 board?
Post by: compfire on January 02, 2019, 02:10:33 PM
I recently purchased a "10W RGB LED flood light;DC12V input;with 4 wire PWM driver inside" from Ray Wu (to test it out).  Not sure if this is designed to work with a F16v3 board or not.  If it will, and idea how to wire it up?  link of product below


https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10W-RGB-LED-flood-light-DC12V-input-with-4-wire-PWM-driver-inside/2037336497.html

Title: Re: Will a "10W RGB LED floodwith 4 wire PWM" work on a F16v3 board?
Post by: Bwinter on January 02, 2019, 02:15:19 PM
My guess is NO.  This looks to be a dumb RGB flood.
Title: Re: Will a "10W RGB LED floodwith 4 wire PWM" work on a F16v3 board?
Post by: JonB256 on January 02, 2019, 02:21:36 PM
One line in the specs:  Control  pwm controller;dmx decoder.etc

Needs to be driven by a DC controller (like the D-Light DC-16)  Need one? I've got several. (all converted to DMX)
Title: Re: Will a "10W RGB LED floodwith 4 wire PWM" work on a F16v3 board?
Post by: AAH on January 03, 2019, 12:59:24 AM
Alternately my 2811DC15 and 2811DC30 boards were designed specifically for adding dumb elements into pixel networks.
Title: Re: Will a "10W RGB LED floodwith 4 wire PWM" work on a F16v3 board?
Post by: zwiller on January 03, 2019, 11:05:20 AM
Floods and a few other props aren't really PNP.  Not hard to do but a little different.  If you are handy and like DIY alot of guys like the "RobG" floods.  Some other good info can be gleaned here.  https://falconchristmas.com/forum/index.php/topic,4182.0.html (https://falconchristmas.com/forum/index.php/topic,4182.0.html)
Title: Re: Will a "10W RGB LED floodwith 4 wire PWM" work on a F16v3 board?
Post by: CaptainMurdoch on January 03, 2019, 11:17:08 AM
For the non-solder types, Ray does also offer prebuilt RGB flood lights with built in ws2811, so you could connect those to a F16v3.  You might need to do power injection depending on which flood you buy since some run on different voltages.

https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/9W-high-power-led-WS2811-controlled-RGB-flood-light-addressable-IP66/701799_32827247145.html?spm=2114.12010615.8148356.1.e53869bdRNATBS (https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/9W-high-power-led-WS2811-controlled-RGB-flood-light-addressable-IP66/701799_32827247145.html?spm=2114.12010615.8148356.1.e53869bdRNATBS)
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/DC36V-input-30W-high-power-led-WS2811-controlled-RGB-flood-light-addressable-IP65-size-23cm-18cm/701799_32838166476.html?spm=2114.12010615.8148356.5.e53869bdRNATBS (https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/DC36V-input-30W-high-power-led-WS2811-controlled-RGB-flood-light-addressable-IP65-size-23cm-18cm/701799_32838166476.html?spm=2114.12010615.8148356.5.e53869bdRNATBS)
Title: Re: Will a "10W RGB LED floodwith 4 wire PWM" work on a F16v3 board?
Post by: zwiller on January 03, 2019, 01:47:19 PM
Kewl.  Looks like he did some 2811 spots too. 
Title: Re: Will a "10W RGB LED floodwith 4 wire PWM" work on a F16v3 board?
Post by: compfire on January 03, 2019, 05:40:41 PM
Thank you everyone for the feedback.  Guess I will scrap this flood, and order some of Ray Wu's floods.


Has anyone here used Ray's floods?
I looking to replace my incandescent 85w floods with some LED floods
Would a 10w LED be similar to a incandescent 85w in lumens?
Should spend the extra money to buy the 30w vs the 10w ones?
Title: Re: Will a "10W RGB LED floodwith 4 wire PWM" work on a F16v3 board?
Post by: JonB256 on January 03, 2019, 09:24:24 PM

Has anyone here used Ray's floods?
I looking to replace my incandescent 85w floods with some LED floods
Would a 10w LED be similar to a incandescent 85w in lumens?
Should I spend the extra money to buy the 30w vs the 10w ones?

I use four Ray Wu 10w floods. They are DMX, though, but otherwise the same. I would have gotten the WS2811 version if he'd had them.

I prefer to use 10w floods because I think I have more control. I use 2 or 3 (for example - my Nativity set) instead of just 1 and get less "over shoot" of light out in the yard.
Title: Re: Will a "10W RGB LED floodwith 4 wire PWM" work on a F16v3 board?
Post by: compfire on January 03, 2019, 09:32:49 PM

Has anyone here used Ray's floods?
I looking to replace my incandescent 85w floods with some LED floods
Would a 10w LED be similar to a incandescent 85w in lumens?
Should I spend the extra money to buy the 30w vs the 10w ones?

I use four Ray Wu 10w floods. They are DMX, though, but otherwise the same. I would have gotten the WS2811 version if he'd had them.

I prefer to use 10w floods because I think I have more control. I use 2 or 3 (for example - my Nativity set) instead of just 1 and get less "over shoot" of light out in the yard.


Jon,


Do you think they are similar to incandescent 85w in lumens?
Title: Re: Will a "10W RGB LED floodwith 4 wire PWM" work on a F16v3 board?
Post by: aknflyer on January 03, 2019, 10:38:57 PM
If you look at the picture on the box, it says 900 Lumens for this 10watt unit on Rays store.
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/9W-high-power-led-WS2811-controlled-RGB-flood-light-addressable-IP66/701799_32827247145.html?spm=2114.12010615.8148356.1.e53869bdRNATBS (https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/9W-high-power-led-WS2811-controlled-RGB-flood-light-addressable-IP66/701799_32827247145.html?spm=2114.12010615.8148356.1.e53869bdRNATBS)
Incandescent Lumen approximations: 60W=800 Lumens, 75W=1100 Lumens, 85W=1275 Lumens 100W=1600 Lumens.It is kind of hard to say. I did find this page on Rays store: https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/20W-high-power-RGB-LED-flood-light-light-with-44key-IR-remote-AC85-265V-input/701799_32350632093.html?spm=2114.12010615.8148356.13.64e548b2IHpKTq  (https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/20W-high-power-RGB-LED-flood-light-light-with-44key-IR-remote-AC85-265V-input/701799_32350632093.html?spm=2114.12010615.8148356.13.64e548b2IHpKTq)
And it lists lumens per color, and the different colors are not consistant. So how do they rate them? A good question I do not know the answer to, I would be curious to learn more, since floods may be a part of my show in the future.
Title: Re: Will a "10W RGB LED floodwith 4 wire PWM" work on a F16v3 board?
Post by: zwiller on January 04, 2019, 01:18:59 AM
Sometime you gotta just jump in and try stuff to find out for yourself.  Cool part about the flood you have being dumb is that if you apply 12VDC it will light up so you can get an idea of how bright it is.  Not sure wire scheme but the 4 wires are 1 for power and 3 for ground (each being rgb) all grounds together produce white (brightest). 
Title: Re: Will a "10W RGB LED floodwith 4 wire PWM" work on a F16v3 board?
Post by: compfire on January 04, 2019, 06:44:14 AM
If you look at the picture on the box, it says 900 Lumens for this 10watt unit on Rays store.
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/9W-high-power-led-WS2811-controlled-RGB-flood-light-addressable-IP66/701799_32827247145.html?spm=2114.12010615.8148356.1.e53869bdRNATBS (https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/9W-high-power-led-WS2811-controlled-RGB-flood-light-addressable-IP66/701799_32827247145.html?spm=2114.12010615.8148356.1.e53869bdRNATBS)
Incandescent Lumen approximations: 60W=800 Lumens, 75W=1100 Lumens, 85W=1275 Lumens 100W=1600 Lumens.It is kind of hard to say. I did find this page on Rays store: https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/20W-high-power-RGB-LED-flood-light-light-with-44key-IR-remote-AC85-265V-input/701799_32350632093.html?spm=2114.12010615.8148356.13.64e548b2IHpKTq  (https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/20W-high-power-RGB-LED-flood-light-light-with-44key-IR-remote-AC85-265V-input/701799_32350632093.html?spm=2114.12010615.8148356.13.64e548b2IHpKTq)
And it lists lumens per color, and the different colors are not consistant. So how do they rate them? A good question I do not know the answer to, I would be curious to learn more, since floods may be a part of my show in the future.


Thank you, that helps quite a bit.
Title: Re: Will a "10W RGB LED floodwith 4 wire PWM" work on a F16v3 board?
Post by: compfire on January 04, 2019, 06:44:36 AM
Sometime you gotta just jump in and try stuff to find out for yourself.  Cool part about the flood you have being dumb is that if you apply 12VDC it will light up so you can get an idea of how bright it is.  Not sure wire scheme but the 4 wires are 1 for power and 3 for ground (each being rgb) all grounds together produce white (brightest).


OK, I will give it a try
Title: Re: Will a "10W RGB LED floodwith 4 wire PWM" work on a F16v3 board?
Post by: JonB256 on January 04, 2019, 07:06:00 AM
No, I don't think a 10w RGB flood will give you the same as your incandescent, but two probably will and three for sure. In whatever color you want.

in the attached picture, I've got a pair of RayWu DMX 10w RGB floods on my nativity. They are doing White @ 80% intensity. They are right on the ground, mounted to a 1x4" piece of wood. Using the pair, I can light the semi-circular Nativity more evenly that I could with a single placed farther back.
Title: Re: Will a "10W RGB LED floodwith 4 wire PWM" work on a F16v3 board?
Post by: pixelpuppy on January 04, 2019, 08:59:57 AM
Kewl.  Looks like he did some 2811 spots too.


I saw those too, but they are only 3w RGB which means its only 1W per color and 3W full white.  Would love to find some of these using the 9W RGB (3x3) COB LED.
Title: Re: Will a "10W RGB LED floodwith 4 wire PWM" work on a F16v3 board?
Post by: JerryPlak on January 04, 2019, 09:29:01 AM
We are using two of the LOR CMB-24D controllers in the DMX mode have one running off a F16v2 board, the second LOR CMB-24D  controller is shown in the attached photo, as I'm using a Pi with a Picap
in two different locations I use these controllers to run 10W RGB LED floodlights also with the Pi with a Picap set up I daisychain off the LOR CMB-24D  controller and run two 30 W DMX floodlights..

By the way just for everybody's information I won a door prize gift certificate and was able to get these two controllers.  ;D
Title: Re: Will a "10W RGB LED floodwith 4 wire PWM" work on a F16v3 board?
Post by: compfire on January 05, 2019, 09:37:43 PM
For the non-solder types, Ray does also offer prebuilt RGB flood lights with built in ws2811, so you could connect those to a F16v3.  You might need to do power injection depending on which flood you buy since some run on different voltages.

https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/9W-high-power-led-WS2811-controlled-RGB-flood-light-addressable-IP66/701799_32827247145.html?spm=2114.12010615.8148356.1.e53869bdRNATBS (https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/9W-high-power-led-WS2811-controlled-RGB-flood-light-addressable-IP66/701799_32827247145.html?spm=2114.12010615.8148356.1.e53869bdRNATBS)
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/DC36V-input-30W-high-power-led-WS2811-controlled-RGB-flood-light-addressable-IP65-size-23cm-18cm/701799_32838166476.html?spm=2114.12010615.8148356.5.e53869bdRNATBS (https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/DC36V-input-30W-high-power-led-WS2811-controlled-RGB-flood-light-addressable-IP65-size-23cm-18cm/701799_32838166476.html?spm=2114.12010615.8148356.5.e53869bdRNATBS)

I am assuming to use the 36v floods, you would have to power inject it from a 36v DC power supply, and also run the ground & data back to the F16v3 board.
Title: Re: Will a "10W RGB LED floodwith 4 wire PWM" work on a F16v3 board?
Post by: CaptainMurdoch on January 05, 2019, 09:49:50 PM

I am assuming to use the 36v floods, you would have to power inject it from a 36v DC power supply, and also run the ground & data back to the F16v3 board.

Yes.  I use some of Robís 20W RGB flood boards and they run off 24V so I power inject this way right at the controller inside the CG1500 for that pigtail and have a few colored zip ties at the end of the cord so I donít plug the wrong thing into it.  :)
Title: Re: Will a "10W RGB LED floodwith 4 wire PWM" work on a F16v3 board?
Post by: compfire on January 05, 2019, 09:58:01 PM

I am assuming to use the 36v floods, you would have to power inject it from a 36v DC power supply, and also run the ground & data back to the F16v3 board.

Yes.  I use some of Robís 20W RGB flood boards and they run off 24V so I power inject this way right at the controller inside the CG1500 for that pigtail and have a few colored zip ties at the end of the cord so I donít plug the wrong thing into it.  :)

Thank you
Title: Re: Will a "10W RGB LED floodwith 4 wire PWM" work on a F16v3 board?
Post by: mararunr on January 07, 2019, 12:30:33 PM
I recently purchased a "10W RGB LED flood light;DC12V input;with 4 wire PWM driver inside" from Ray Wu (to test it out).  Not sure if this is designed to work with a F16v3 board or not.  If it will, and idea how to wire it up?  link of product below
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10W-RGB-LED-flood-light-DC12V-input-with-4-wire-PWM-driver-inside/2037336497.html

Yes and No.  You need to also grab a PWM driver board.  You run an ethernet cable from the dmx port on the falcon to the dmx port on the pwm.  You connect your power source to the PWM driver board.  You then run 4 wire cable from the driver board to your floods.  I used to use Ray's DMX floods and have switched completely over to these as there is no programming required to set these up and less power/data cable management (in my opinion).  I leave the dip switch set to 1 on the driver board and just set my real start channel on the falcon serial output tab.  In my case I run the 50w/24v versions and love the color wash effects I get against my stone and brick house front.  I have a PWM driver board with each of my falcons (I run multiple FPP remotes across my setup) and just attach whatever floods I need in that area to that driver board.

https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/30channel-10groups-easy-dmx512-decoder-DC9-24V-input-constant-voltage-PWM-output/701799_2020499236.html?spm=2114.12010615.8148356.44.33b77c971lB9MU
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/18channel-6groups-easy-dmx512-decoder-DC12-24V-input-constant-voltage-PWM-output-with-XLR-RJ45-interface/701799_2011394863.html?spm=2114.12010615.8148356.42.33b77c971lB9MU
Title: Re: Will a "10W RGB LED floodwith 4 wire PWM" work on a F16v3 board?
Post by: zwiller on January 07, 2019, 01:15:53 PM
Did you ever run any DLA aethers?  Curious how the 50W/24v compares.  Love the look and performance but HATE setting the aethers up.   
Title: Re: Will a "10W RGB LED floodwith 4 wire PWM" work on a F16v3 board?
Post by: mararunr on January 07, 2019, 01:28:51 PM
Did you ever run any DLA aethers?  Curious how the 50W/24v compares.  Love the look and performance but HATE setting the aethers up.   

Not sure if the question is for me, but if so, no I never ran DLA aethers but anything related to "HATE setting" is something I want to avoid  ;D  I don't mind some complexity (as I run 9 remotes currently with 100% power injection by the way some people define it) but try not to be more complex than I need to.
Title: Re: Will a "10W RGB LED floodwith 4 wire PWM" work on a F16v3 board?
Post by: compfire on January 11, 2019, 10:45:30 AM
Finally got around to wiring/testing my 4 wire PWM flood out, and got it to work.  As Jon said, not as much light as a 85w incandescent flood puts out.  I going to place an order for a bunch of Ray's 30w floods.  Thanks for the help.
Title: Re: Will a "10W RGB LED floodwith 4 wire PWM" work on a F16v3 board?
Post by: pixelpuppy on January 11, 2019, 11:27:38 AM
Finally got around to wiring/testing my 4 wire PWM flood out, and got it to work.  As Jon said, not as much light as a 85w incandescent flood puts out.  I going to place an order for a bunch of Ray's 30w floods.  Thanks for the help.

One thing to keep in mind is that a 10w RGB is really just 3w per color and only 9w when full on white.  Anything other than 100% full white is going to be less.
The same principle applies to the other wattage RGB floods as well:
 
"10w" RGB flood = 3w per color
"20w" RGB flood = 6w per color
"30w" RGB flood = 10w per color
"50w" RGB flood = 16w per color
Title: Re: Will a "10W RGB LED floodwith 4 wire PWM" work on a F16v3 board?
Post by: jerryw on January 14, 2019, 01:26:14 PM
Thought I would share what I'm doing with twentyone(21) 20W 24VDC DMX floodlights!
They are so bright I have to run them at 40%.
David helped me with the F48 and F16v3 both worked thru xmas with no failures!
The F48 via uSD Firmware!

Note: If you want any input on powering let me know and I will send my design.
I converted my landscape 12VAC 10 & 12Ga wiring to 24VDC and changed all of my landscape bulbs to 24vdc leds.
Also, you could use multiple DMX outputs on the F16v3 to avoid the DMX hub if the number of locations are less than 4.