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Title: 2019 Layout Questions
Post by: DanHouston on January 05, 2019, 07:51:04 PM
Doing some significant changes for this coming year, and as part of that plan to have pixels on the eaves, window frames, some columns, new stars and snowflakes.


I've attached a layout from xlights. The items you see in the yard I have controllers to run them (Lynx gear), but the stuff I am putting on the house I do not have controllers for yet, and would like to use the falcon gear. With that in mind, unsure which way I should go (and why).


A couple of additional notes....
1. The eaves I am planning to mount and leave up year round. Would be nice to have those connected to run year round too. :)
2. As the Lynx gear fails (if it ever does) I will replace with Falcon gear, so keeping that in mind as you suggest which controllers and where to put them would be great!


I'm reading a lot about the falcon controllers, but still not sure I understand it all. I think I could run it all with a single F16V3, but am wondering if it would make more sense to zone it up with several F4V3 controllers.
Title: Re: 2019 Layout Questions
Post by: k6ccc on January 05, 2019, 11:07:41 PM
1. The eaves I am planning to mount and leave up year round. Would be nice to have those connected to run year round too. :)
Highly recommended.  I have been running computer controlled landscape lighting since 2011.  Except for a couple channels, everything is RGB.  In fact I'm fairly unusual in that I originally got into computerized lighting to run landscape lighting and had NO plans to run a Christmas show - well, that changed :)
It is very nice to be able to change the yard color both routinely and for the minor holidays.
Title: Re: 2019 Layout Questions
Post by: DanHouston on January 06, 2019, 04:21:25 PM
What kind of distance can I reasonably expect from controller to first node? I thought I read somewhere 20 feet or so? That hold true for between nodes as well when connecting different elements?
Title: Re: 2019 Layout Questions
Post by: DanHouston on January 06, 2019, 04:22:12 PM
1. The eaves I am planning to mount and leave up year round. Would be nice to have those connected to run year round too. :)
Highly recommended.  I have been running computer controlled landscape lighting since 2011.  Except for a couple channels, everything is RGB.  In fact I'm fairly unusual in that I originally got into computerized lighting to run landscape lighting and had NO plans to run a Christmas show - well, that changed :)
It is very nice to be able to change the yard color both routinely and for the minor holidays.


Any recommendations? Right now I am leaning towards attaching J-channel to the house with the nodes mounted inside.
Title: Re: 2019 Layout Questions
Post by: k6ccc on January 06, 2019, 04:40:57 PM
Start by reading this page: 
http://www.newburghlights.org/Landscaping.html

More when I get to a computer...



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Title: Re: 2019 Layout Questions
Post by: Xmas! on January 06, 2019, 04:49:34 PM
1. The eaves I am planning to mount and leave up year round. Would be nice to have those connected to run year round too. :)
Highly recommended.  I have been running computer controlled landscape lighting since 2011.  Except for a couple channels, everything is RGB.  In fact I'm fairly unusual in that I originally got into computerized lighting to run landscape lighting and had NO plans to run a Christmas show - well, that changed :)
It is very nice to be able to change the yard color both routinely and for the minor holidays.

I am planning on the same thing. No reason to only souse my lights during one holiday/year.


Any recommendations? Right now I am leaning towards attaching J-channel to the house with the nodes mounted inside.
Title: Re: 2019 Layout Questions
Post by: Todd on January 06, 2019, 04:56:50 PM
What kind of distance can I reasonably expect from controller to first node? I thought I read somewhere 20 feet or so? That hold true for between nodes as well when connecting different elements?


Approx 25'. (20' should be fine) Maybe more maybe less. But usually don't plan on more than 25'. You'll have to experiment to see what your setup will allow if you're pushing the 25' mark.
Title: Re: 2019 Layout Questions
Post by: mararunr on January 07, 2019, 08:16:47 AM
Distance to first node from a Falcon controller depends on wire you use.  You can get 60 feet if you use cat6.  (Edited - I corrected my 60" which is inches to clearly say feet)
Title: Re: 2019 Layout Questions
Post by: k6ccc on January 07, 2019, 08:40:05 AM
Distance to first node from a Falcon controller depends on wire you use.  You can get 60'' if you use cat6.
I assume Cat-6 for the data and either something else for power or power injection if more than a few pixels.  Even using three wires each of a Cat-5 or 6 for power and ground is really small amount of wire - especially over that distance..
Title: Re: 2019 Layout Questions
Post by: JonB256 on January 07, 2019, 08:46:23 AM
Has anyone tried using Coax cable for a Data run? It is shielded so should be good. The shield mesh could be used to connect the grounds between controller and the power supply connected to the first pixel. You can sometimes find reels of discarded Coax. I doubt that the Impedance differences between the different RG numbers would make much difference for this.

edit - a quick search found this old post - claiming 300ft (not just 20 or 30 or 60)

https://falconchristmas.com/forum/index.php/topic,3817.0.html
Title: Re: 2019 Layout Questions
Post by: DanHouston on January 12, 2019, 08:21:10 PM
Taking my first crack at actually putting a controller in here. Nothing is more than 100 pixels (12v), and distances should be all under 20'.


Thinking this would be for the permanently mounted pixels. Still need to plan out the window frames, columns, vertical outline on house, stars and snowflakes.
Title: Re: 2019 Layout Questions
Post by: Xmas! on January 15, 2019, 11:36:06 AM
Hey Dan have you made any attempts in your permanent setup? I was planning on using something like this:
Channel (https://www.alliedelec.com/panduit-fs2x2bl6nm/70326857/)

and
Cover (https://www.alliedelec.com/panduit-c2bl6/70326657/)


I think it would make for a easy setup. Using the Boscoyo strips (https://www.boscoyostudio.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_6&products_id=2&zenid=cr861q566p5srf8crkdcudt9i7) as a template for drilling holes in the inside of the above mentioned covers. Then stick your pixels through and attach the cover to the channel which is mounted to your eaves. The channel itself will hide all the wiring and gives you plenty of room inside for power injection connection. This is just an idea that I am going to be playing with. And I think even though black may stick out more during the day, it wont reflect the pixel lights at night.

Title: Re: 2019 Layout Questions
Post by: Todd on January 15, 2019, 03:18:07 PM
Hey Dan have you made any attempts in your permanent setup? I was planning on using something like this:
Channel (https://www.alliedelec.com/panduit-fs2x2bl6nm/70326857/)

and
Cover (https://www.alliedelec.com/panduit-c2bl6/70326657/)


I think it would make for a easy setup. Using the Boscoyo strips (https://www.boscoyostudio.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_6&products_id=2&zenid=cr861q566p5srf8crkdcudt9i7) as a template for drilling holes in the inside of the above mentioned covers. Then stick your pixels through and attach the cover to the channel which is mounted to your eaves. The channel itself will hide all the wiring and gives you plenty of room inside for power injection connection. This is just an idea that I am going to be playing with. And I think even though black may stick out more during the day, it wont reflect the pixel lights at night.


The concern would be if this is UV stable. I would find out if it will hold up to UV... being permanent.
Title: Re: 2019 Layout Questions
Post by: Xmas! on January 15, 2019, 05:58:01 PM
Great point Todd. Although I intend to use some type of quick disconnect to attach them to my eaves, Dan wants those high roof lines up permanently (which I totally understand). This way I can put them all up within a couple hours just snapping them into place and taking them down when not in use. But if I could find some that ARE UV protected that would be even better still.
Title: Re: 2019 Layout Questions
Post by: DanHouston on January 16, 2019, 07:37:49 AM
Hey Dan have you made any attempts in your permanent setup? I was planning on using something like this:
Channel (https://www.alliedelec.com/panduit-fs2x2bl6nm/70326857/)

and
Cover (https://www.alliedelec.com/panduit-c2bl6/70326657/)


I think it would make for a easy setup. Using the Boscoyo strips (https://www.boscoyostudio.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_6&products_id=2&zenid=cr861q566p5srf8crkdcudt9i7) as a template for drilling holes in the inside of the above mentioned covers. Then stick your pixels through and attach the cover to the channel which is mounted to your eaves. The channel itself will hide all the wiring and gives you plenty of room inside for power injection connection. This is just an idea that I am going to be playing with. And I think even though black may stick out more during the day, it wont reflect the pixel lights at night.


The concern would be if this is UV stable. I would find out if it will hold up to UV... being permanent.


Was thinking of using the J-Channel approach I've seen in a few threads so far. Found a few folks who have done that permanently....This looks like good stuff too, and in my case may end up being pretty well protected from the sun.
Title: Re: 2019 Layout Questions
Post by: DanHouston on January 16, 2019, 07:40:50 AM
Any folks who have used the F48 with the receiver boards? Was thinking though that last night and it seems like zoning up the house with the receiver boards and locating the F48 in the garage would work well. I guess one potential downside is if the F48 goes down most of my show goes down....Any thoughts?
Title: Re: 2019 Layout Questions
Post by: brichi on January 16, 2019, 08:20:53 AM
I used the 48 last year and it was awesome, had 10 receiver boards running and it was perfect, I bought 2 F48's for that exact reason though so if it went down, I had the second one all configured to swap out, yes its another $200 buts its still cheaper then putting a bunch of controllers all over vs $17 receiver boards
Title: Re: 2019 Layout Questions
Post by: DanHouston on January 19, 2019, 07:54:43 PM
Lots of lines on here, but I think you can make it out. EBX is the receiver boards (should have used RB I guess). I have some places where I could probably collapse ports, but for ease of access and connectivity and possible expansion thought this would work.


Longest run on a port is 128 nodes....hoping to not have to do any power injection.


Thoughts?
Title: Re: 2019 Layout Questions
Post by: Xmas! on January 20, 2019, 12:43:44 PM
Just bought some of the channels and covers. When they get here I will post some pictures.
Title: Re: 2019 Layout Questions
Post by: Xmas! on January 29, 2019, 05:56:30 PM
So when I purchased quantity 6 of the channel and cover, I did not notice it said linear foot. Even though they only come in 6' lengths, the price is still per linear foot, which makes no sense to me at all. So since it was $5.41/linear foot of channel and $1.80/linear foot of cover, I spent over $52 to get one 6' length of each to get delivered to my door. Boy do I feel dumb! Time to return this over priced crap!!
Title: Re: 2019 Layout Questions
Post by: DanHouston on February 04, 2019, 09:43:45 PM
Ouch!