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Title: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: corey872 on January 04, 2015, 08:09:23 PM
Introducing a new piece of hardware - uAmp or "Micro Amp"

A demonstration video is live at:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp8QYcV57bo
 
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w269/coreyonline/uAmp/uAmp_zps7a806260.jpg)

At the basic level, the Micro Amp is a signal conditioner / amplifier which can be used with any square wave data source.  The uAmp has been designed using the same MOSFET drive technology as the uSC and has some of the same design features such as built in strain relief holes, basic board comes pre-assembled and ready to use, pre-formed holes for optional LEDs (indicating 'power' and 'data out'),  compact size, ESD protection and short circuit protection on the data line.

Unlike the uSC, the uAmp is solely a digital signal processor.  It has no PIC chip and is not capable of differentiating different 'channels' of data the way a string controller does - it simply processes, clarifies and amplifies ANY data fed to it.  Conversely, it is a simple 'plug-n-play' device.  No PIC programming, firmware, channel setting, etc is required.

This example shows the data output of an SSC in blue (which is also used as the input for the uAmp).  Instead of a clear 5V square wave, the data shows substantial 'ringing' and only averages barely over 3 volts at the top of the square wave.  The uAmp is capable of clarifying this data and boosting the signal to nearly a full 5 volts as shown in yellow - which is the uAmp output).  Ringing is substantially dampened and the square wave data shows crisp on/off transitions.

(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w269/coreyonline/uAmp/4d4750dc-2e40-4b8c-9ae4-7793136c2d27_zps65a94386.png)

Some possible uses:
 
If you wish to send data from an unmodified SSCV1 or SSCV2 more than a few inches, or an SSCV3/V4 more than a few feet, a uAmp can be added to the output line.  Once installed, the low power, 'messy' SSC data is amplified and clarified so the controller can now be 50, 60, 70 or more feet to the display element.

[SSC] <few inches> [uAmp] <........................................50+ feet............................................> [Node]...[Node]...[Node]...



"Null Node" - Data transmission between nodes is limited to around 6-15 feet (regardless of string controller*).  Installing a uAmp after a node will condition and boost the data signal strength so gaps between elements can be 50, 60, 70 feet or more if needed.  Because the uAmp processes data and does not use the "take one and pass it on" format a node does, the uAmp does not need to be programmed into the display as a null node does.

......Data......[Node] <few inches> [uAmp]<...................................50+ feet.......................................> [Node]...[Node]...[Node]...


*Note - The data stream is regenerated and retransmitted by each node.  Due to this a controller with a strong output (such as the uSC) can send data quite a far distance to the first node, however, when that data is retransmitted by the first node, the distance is again limited to around 6-15 feet.   



"Multiply" a single data stream - Since the uAmp has very high input impedance it does not put considerable load on the data line so multiple uAmp boards can be added to even a weak data stream.  If you wish to have multiple display elements showing the exact same data/colors, multiple uAmps can be tied to the same data stream.  Each uAmp will then deliver its own high power data stream for use with display items.  You would not need to use a separate uSC or SSC for each element, though you may need to take appropriate measure to insure adequate power delivery for the nodes.

                    [uAmp]<...................................50+ feet.......................................> [Node]...[Node]...[Node]...
.....Data...... [uAmp]<...................................50+ feet.......................................> [Node]...[Node]...[Node]...
                    [uAmp]<...................................50+ feet.......................................> [Node]...[Node]...[Node]...



I expect the cost to be around $4 in quantities of ~100 or so, though as always , larger quantities in a co-op could reduce that price.

Please use this thread for any thought, suggestions, or questions and we will see if there is enough desire to put this into a production run.
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: David Pitts on January 04, 2015, 08:32:27 PM
Corey,

Great design. I think there is a big need for this design. Here is one of many use case scenarios.

You have an F16 that you are running 14 strings from to a high density device. You want to run two strings or elements 60 feet away to use other ports but do not want to get a hub or put another controller where the two strings are. the simplest solution is to be able to use the two remaining ports.

So with this is mind I have a couple questions and maybe this is another product.

1) Can uAMP condition two lines of data as an option for people that use 4 wire pixels?
2) Can the hole spacing on the input side be 3.5mm centers so the user can put in a four pin header and screw right into the 4 pin pluggable connectors on most controllers.

I know question 2 would make board larger but it would be great to have the option to remove the wire between pixel port on F16v1, F16v2, E682 and the like.

Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: JerryPlak on January 04, 2015, 08:35:51 PM
Cool Corey,
this set up for 12v system can it be use for 5v pixels ?
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: rdebolt on January 04, 2015, 09:21:21 PM
Man could I use these in my display!!! I do agree with David and his senario. Awesome Corey!


Roger
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: Steve Gase on January 04, 2015, 09:32:59 PM
questions/comments:

it would be nice if this was integrated with the newer falcon16/8 and uSC boards -- is that something you'd like to see happen?
I also wonder about the impact on 5v strings and boards.

is this something that would equally be effective on SanDevice and other smart string controllers?  ...Zeus?
Any reason not to use these mid-string to boost the signal (instead of null pixels) between elements like window frames?
can you cascade these to double, triple or even reach further than  50ft?
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: Duane Johnson on January 04, 2015, 09:34:55 PM
Corey,

For long distances this is AWESOME!  For short distances utilizing a SSC, would your Warp_Drive modification do the same trick if the distance from controller to first node wasn't an issue (less than 6").

Duane
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: bcstuff on January 04, 2015, 10:53:31 PM
I am mesmerized with the ingenuity of some people, way to go Corey!

I can definitely see some uses for this in my show and I would be in on a group buy.
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: arw01 on January 04, 2015, 11:02:21 PM
So by theory these would work with pretty much any protocol, e.g. tls3001 chips, ws2811 chips, any other ones?
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: CaptainMurdoch on January 05, 2015, 12:17:24 AM
Great idea.  I would be in for some, it would save an extra uSC and cable run in some places I have planned for this year.
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: twooly on January 05, 2015, 04:31:32 AM
This is perfect for a project I'm working on to remove null nodes.  Ill be in for some.
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: Mitch09 on January 05, 2015, 07:41:49 AM
Awesome! I would definitely be in on a group buy.
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: ryanjennings on January 05, 2015, 07:45:41 AM
I would be in for a few.
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: maffeirw on January 05, 2015, 09:40:51 AM
Count me in for some.
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: zwiller on January 05, 2015, 09:55:09 AM
I am in as well.  Nice to see others interested as well.  This year I gravitated away from hubs and SSCs to F16/Zeus for all my ground elements and it went so well that I would like to do the house but there was the distance issue.  Now there is an option! 

Really like David's suggestion as to the connector header spacing for older controllers (3 pin tho right?) and Steve's idea to implement the circuit into new designs.  Seems like 50’ should be the new standard. 
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: corey872 on January 05, 2015, 11:52:12 AM
Thanks for the suggestions and questions.  I will try to take them in order in one post (hopefully this won't get too messy!), so take a peek at the list and find your answers:

Dave:

Right now, uAmp only processes one data stream per board which is compatible with all our '3 wire' pixels…TM1804, 1809, WS 2811, 2812, INK 1002, 1003, etc.  It could be modified to support two data streams, though I was under the impression the vast majority of nodes/controllers were of the 3 wire variety.  Not sure which way the economics tip...add additional cost/size to every uAmp for support of two data streams, ask a user of the more rare 4-wire pixels to purchase two uAmps, or eventually develop separate one and two stream versions.

I suppose the input spacing could be anything we want - can you give me a link for one of these 4 wire controllers, I have not personally used one.


Jerry:

uAmp should be compatible with 5V systems.  The uAmp operates as a 'pass through' for whatever voltage is supplied and would have the same 5-16V operating range as a uSC, so if added after a 5V pixel or controller, it would simply pass that 5V along.  I think the voltage drop is a little more critical with 5V systems, so you may reach a point where you can transmit data further than the voltage.


Steve:

uAmp should be equally compatible with other string controllers, F16/F8, Zeus, etc.  It does not care where the data comes from, or really even what format the data is, it simply processes, clarifies and amplifies what it sees at the input.

There is really no need to use the uAmp with a uSC as the output of the uSC is already up to the same power/clarity as the uAmp. 

I suppose you could cascade for further distances.  For discussion purposes, I’m saying "50 feet" as a good number which should be obtainable in most any circumstance.   On the test bench, voltage drop on the power line seems to become an issue before loss of data integrity does.  I will post a bit more on this subject as I complete more testing.


Duane

Since the nodes work on a digital signal, as long as they can read the data signal they work just as well… and they either can read the signal or they can't. (ie, not like an old analog TV where the picture slowly fades to snow/static).   If using an SSC with Warp Drive, data transmission should be solid to 6+ feet with no problem.  You would not need to use the uAmp in that instance.  If you need to go further, you could either add the uAmp 'instead of' or 'in addition to' the Warp Drive mod. uAmp will process the signal equally well in both cases.


Alan

uAmp should work equally well with any node using the standard 5V data line.  This would include anything driven from an SSC, Zeus, F16, F8, (technically a uSC), etc.  Admittedly, I’m losing track of all the new nodes coming into existence!  I say 'technically' on the uSC because, as above, the output of a uSC is basically equivalent to that of the uAmp, so you're not really gaining anything.
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: David Pitts on January 05, 2015, 01:01:04 PM
Here is a link to new F16v2. The signals are from left to right GND, CLK, Data, V.  This matches the same pin outs for E682 which is the most used controller in the hobby. The spacing is 3.5mm on center.

http://falconchristmas.com/forum/index.php/topic,1384.0.html (http://falconchristmas.com/forum/index.php/topic,1384.0.html)

The more I think about it this may be another product I am thinking about. I think to get maximum distance from a controller to string a differential driver/receiver may be needed. Like many of the pixel extenders out there but with minimal cost. I envision  two channels of transceiving  and two channels of receiving on the other end.
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: JerryPlak on January 05, 2015, 07:19:30 PM
Corey,
Thanks for the updates also Count me in for some  ;)
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: corey872 on January 05, 2015, 07:38:25 PM
Dave - that is a monster I hadn't seen yet!  Are you still in beta with that board or in production?
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: David Pitts on January 05, 2015, 09:24:29 PM
Dave - that is a monster I hadn't seen yet!  Are you still in beta with that board or in production?

It is still in beta. I had to stop working on it for Christmas. I have had great tests so far and see no road blocks other then other projects. (FPD debugging, NEO and Xlights coding).
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: tractormike21 on January 06, 2015, 07:41:45 AM
I like this idea and cans see some great uses.  Corocanes as an example.  I would like to put a few of these in my display but distance between nodes has been a concern.  This would eliminate that concern.  I would be in for buying a few.  Great job.
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: egenoup on January 06, 2015, 07:42:43 AM
I would be HIGHLY interested in 10-20 of these....

Charles
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: zwiller on January 06, 2015, 08:31:04 AM
This is my fault for not keeping up on the uSC threads, but I had no idea the uSC did 50' to first node!  I would urge someone to get this info in plain sight.  Game changer for me. 

Now that makes it interesting for best self contained 50' rig: Hub+uSC vs F16+uAMP  Right now, the edge going toward F16+uAMP for test mode and cost... 

Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: twooly on January 06, 2015, 07:24:53 PM

This is my fault for not keeping up on the uSC threads, but I had no idea the uSC did 50' to first node!  I would urge someone to get this info in plain sight.  Game changer for me. 

Now that makes it interesting for best self contained 50' rig: Hub+uSC vs F16+uAMP  Right now, the edge going toward F16+uAMP for test mode and cost...

Look at Corey's videos he has one where he was testing distance on the usc and was just using plain extension cord :)
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: mangoat on January 07, 2015, 03:29:02 AM
Id be in for a few of these too.... probably a dozen or so just to have some on hand :)
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: dduck on January 07, 2015, 01:56:29 PM
I ran into a distance limitation with a Zeus and had to come up with an
alternative solution.     Count me in.
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: algerdes on January 07, 2015, 02:06:33 PM
Depending on cost, I'm interested in 15-25.  Possibly more.
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: tlh on January 07, 2015, 02:13:23 PM
Great addition that increases options, which is always good.  Count me in!
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: zwiller on January 07, 2015, 02:26:32 PM
I ran into a distance limitation with a Zeus and had to come up with an
alternative solution.     

I couldn't get more than 6' from my Zeus without issues but I got 15' when testing the SSCv4?!  F16 was good to 12' and I recall David stating 25' but need to test myself. 

Sorry for not posting previously, but looking for 15-20 of these. 
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: tcom_jim on January 07, 2015, 02:33:58 PM
I'm interested in 5 to 10 of these as well.

Also, would it be possible to use 2 of these to extend a Pixelnet signal?  I was wondering if the device could handle the link rate of Pixelnet.  If so, would differential skew between the two signals cause a problem?

Thanks,

Jim
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: Steve Gase on January 07, 2015, 04:52:03 PM
I'm interested in 5 to 10 of these as well.

Also, would it be possible to use 2 of these to extend a Pixelnet signal?  I was wondering if the device could handle the link rate of Pixelnet.  If so, would differential skew between the two signals cause a problem?

Thanks,

Jim
pixelnet (and dmx, too) is transmitted with 2 lines... a + and -.

pixelnet can already do 300ft.  to get more you can use a pixelnet splitter or a hub/controller with repeater capabilities.
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: tcom_jim on January 07, 2015, 06:09:52 PM
Steve,

    Thanks for the response and the distance limit information for Pixelnet.  Somehow I got the impression that I was pushing it with a 60ft long Pixelnet link, so I was thinking about using a couple of these to condition the signal to my most distant Falcon F16.  I'm still interested in a few of these since I'm presently only using 2 of the 16 outputs of my second F16 and the elements I'm thinking of adding next season will be over 40ft away from the best location for that F16.

Jim
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: Blickensderfer on March 12, 2015, 02:08:02 PM
Corey,

Do you know if your going to run a coop for these?

Thanks,
Dan
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: corey872 on March 13, 2015, 07:51:48 AM
Yes, I am hoping to kick off co-ops for the uAmp, uSC and the F16 'afterburner' likely in early April.
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: Steve Gase on March 13, 2015, 09:07:02 AM
Yes, I am hoping to kick off co-ops for the uAmp, uSC and the F16 'afterburner' likely in early April.

ok... what is "afterburner"?

I just searched the forum looking for a match.  are you holding out on us?? :)
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: Rod R on March 13, 2015, 09:17:26 AM
I believe think its that module that plugs into the v1 board.  It think he was hinting to see if people noticed something different in his last video.
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: Gary on March 13, 2015, 09:34:40 AM
I believe think its that module that plugs into the v1 board.  I think he was hinting to see if people noticed something different in his last video.

Is it a doodad that's like 16 uAmps in one easy to plug-in module--that's presumably cheaper than buying 16 separate uAmps?

If so, I'm excited as well!  (I wish we had more smileys to choose from on this forum... I'd be using a "giddy" one right now, LOL!)
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: Steve Gase on March 13, 2015, 09:53:00 AM
I believe think its that module that plugs into the v1 board.  It think he was hinting to see if people noticed something different in his last video.
boy, I could imagine a lot of variation in such a board... 

some f16s have the plugs, and some have the screw-down terminals...  I'd like to see this type of solution have the plugs on the output side.  someone else might like to avoid the extra expense.

also, there is a good run already possible with the f16 v1 ports... you'd probably like to place the uAmp further from the controller where the signal starts to get weaker.  if you do that, then having 16 all integegrated in one board assumes that they will all head in the same direction from the board -- 10ft away.

i'm interested to hear what corey has in mind.
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: CaptainMurdoch on March 13, 2015, 10:17:20 AM
I believe think its that module that plugs into the v1 board.  It think he was hinting to see if people noticed something different in his last video.
boy, I could imagine a lot of variation in such a board... 

some f16s have the plugs, and some have the screw-down terminals...  I'd like to see this type of solution have the plugs on the output side.  someone else might like to avoid the extra expense.

Corey, correct me if I am wrong.... :)

From the video, it looked like the afterburner is a board that replaces a line driver chip by plugging directly into the line driver socket, so it would work for both variations of the F16 v1 since it goes in place before the output connectors.  You would need 2 afterburners per F16 if you needed to extend all 16 outputs, or you could use one afterburner and extend 8 outputs.  I would assume the resistor networks are removed when using an afterburner.

I believe that someone also asked about the concept of a multi-uAmp board, but it might not be much cheaper compared to several uAmp's.  It would also not as flexible as separate uAmps and could be costlier if you weren't using all outputs.
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: Rod R on March 13, 2015, 12:04:28 PM
All I know is I like the name f-16 afterburner 😊.   Reminds me of my military days although I was around f18 and harriers mostly.
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: algerdes on March 27, 2015, 07:36:59 PM
All I know is I like the name f-16 afterburner 😊.   Reminds me of my military days although I was around f18 and harriers mostly.

If you have ever ridden in ANY jet when the afterburner kicked in, you will remember it for the rest of your life.
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: mararunr on April 22, 2015, 11:27:04 AM
+1, very interested in uAmp for some layout distance issues.  I'm good for at least 30.
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - �Amp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: heldwhat christmas on May 23, 2015, 01:41:16 PM
Very cool idea.  I'm very interested in getting a few of these when the group buy starts.


I would think this needs to go next to the lights to clean up the signal instead of next to the controller and I believe that is how it is hooked up in the video, but the first post makes it sound like it can go right next to the controller... Is it either?


Thanks!
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: Steve Gase on May 23, 2015, 06:00:14 PM
the signal starts to degrade after a while, so you place the uamp near the point where the signal starts getting flakey -- maybe its 2ft for some controllers, maybe it 15 ft for others.  the uamp cleans up the signal and gives it a boost for another 50ft or so.

so you don't want to place it near the first pixel... there is no point.

you could place it near the controller... if your controller is not doing well it can help make it work better.  for some people they'll place it 10ft away (for example).

you can put uamps in series -- one after another -- about 50ft apart, to get long stretches before you get to the first pixel.
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: tbone321 on May 24, 2015, 08:15:53 PM
It really depends on the controller but putting it next to the lights really doesn't help with much.  The purpose of the amp is to clean up the signal and transmit it cleanly over long distances without the "ring" and other issues that some of the controllers have which degrades the signal beyond readability over even short distances.  If the signal is so degraded by the time it reaches the pixel that the pixel can't read it, then the amp will probably not be able to read it either and in that case, will serve no purpose.  You want to place the amp as close to the controller as needed to give it signal clean enough to properly process.
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: corey872 on May 26, 2015, 07:59:21 AM
Everything posted above is generally correct.  As a general rule, you'd want the uAmp to be no further away from the controller (or node - if using as a null-node repeater) than the first node would normally be.  There is a bit of 'wiggle room' here as the uAmp is more sensitive than a node and has some ability to 'clean up' a low fidelity signal, but in general, it would go in place of the first node.

While you could technically link uAmp after uAmp for long runs, you'd have to consider the hub-to-controller distance can be ~300ft, and with a uSC controller, you could get 50ft from controller to the first node, then throw in one uAmp and you're out at 400ft to the first node ...the voltage drop starts to become pretty bad, so you're likely better off to put a hub and power supply in that remote location and shorten up the hub-to-node lines.
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: Alien407 on May 28, 2015, 06:59:24 AM
Corey, I will commit to 50 at the $4 each or less price.........Burt
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: Alien407 on May 28, 2015, 07:01:04 AM
Micro amp.  Sorry that didn't make the last post........Burt
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: DearJoel on May 31, 2015, 07:44:09 AM
Is there a date yet when the buy will take place for the uAmp?   I do not want to miss it.  Previously it was mentioned that early April would be the order time.  Just looking for an update.

Thanks,

Joel Dearing
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: mararunr on May 31, 2015, 09:10:34 AM
Is there a date yet when the buy will take place for the uAmp?   I do not want to miss it.  Previously it was mentioned that early April would be the order time.  Just looking for an update.

Thanks,

Joel Dearing
Ditto.  I don't want to miss either.  Willing to pre-pay/pay now to make sure I don't miss (somewhere between 40-60 depending on price)
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: twooly on May 31, 2015, 11:46:23 AM
He is working out some last minute details with the usc v2  with David.  It will be just a little longer while that happens since he'll be doing the coop for all three items at once.
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: Bqmouse on May 31, 2015, 02:48:33 PM


This is my fault for not keeping up on the uSC threads, but I had no idea the uSC did 50' to first node!  I would urge someone to get this info in plain sight.  Game changer for me. 

Now that makes it interesting for best self contained 50' rig: Hub+uSC vs F16+uAMP  Right now, the edge going toward F16+uAMP for test mode and cost...

Look at Corey's videos he has one where he was testing distance on the usc and was just using plain extension cord :)
where is the link to Corey's  video?


Bentley Q
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: Bqmouse on May 31, 2015, 02:53:49 PM



This is my fault for not keeping up on the uSC threads, but I had no idea the uSC did 50' to first node!  I would urge someone to get this info in plain sight.  Game changer for me. 

Now that makes it interesting for best self contained 50' rig: Hub+uSC vs F16+uAMP  Right now, the edge going toward F16+uAMP for test mode and cost...

Look at Corey's videos he has one where he was testing distance on the usc and was just using plain extension cord :)
where is the link to Corey's  video?


Bentley Q
disregard. I didn't see the multi pages at the first


Bentley Q
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: CJ Morin on June 14, 2015, 04:16:41 PM
Is there a date yet when the buy will take place for the uAmp?   I do not want to miss it.  Previously it was mentioned that early April would be the order time.  Just looking for an update.

Thanks,

Joel Dearing
Ditto.  I don't want to miss either.  Willing to pre-pay/pay now to make sure I don't miss (somewhere between 40-60 depending on price)

+1 this is something I would also be interested in also, quantity depending on overall price.
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: mararunr on June 18, 2015, 06:14:30 AM
Today is 18 June and preview thread says co-op will close 25 June, yet I can't find a co-op thread to buy uAmps.  What am I missing?
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: jnealand on June 18, 2015, 10:09:24 AM
You must be looking at something from last year.  There has been no coop in 2015 YET!  We are all still waiting.
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: mararunr on June 18, 2015, 12:29:44 PM
You must be looking at something from last year.  There has been no coop in 2015 YET!  We are all still waiting.

This preview thread from 01 May 2015 which states 25 June closing for co-op in the beginning notes...http://falconchristmas.com/forum/index.php/topic,2442.msg26475.html#msg26475 (http://falconchristmas.com/forum/index.php/topic,2442.msg26475.html#msg26475)
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: corey872 on June 19, 2015, 05:41:35 AM
http://falconchristmas.com/forum/index.php/topic,2467.msg27378.html#msg27378
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: mararunr on June 19, 2015, 07:12:06 AM
Thank you Corey.  As Jim said, I guess I'm having some FOMO - looking forward to these great products!
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: mararunr on July 04, 2015, 08:25:24 AM
Any update on this?
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: tbone321 on July 04, 2015, 08:35:35 AM
I am beginning to wonder about that myself.
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: pcprovenzano on July 04, 2015, 08:46:53 AM
I'm in for a couple when they go on sale..

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Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: lorenyarbrough on July 09, 2015, 06:54:40 PM
I'm in for 10-15 of them.
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: algerdes on July 29, 2015, 04:34:50 PM
I'd like to have 15 - 20 in my toolbox, for sure.
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: zwiller on August 06, 2015, 11:19:02 AM
I must be missing something.  Can someone explain the advantage of the uAMP over the afterburner?  The is a 10:1 ratio of uAMPs over afterburners in the coop. 
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: mello_roberto on August 06, 2015, 11:27:02 AM
I must be missing something.  Can someone explain the advantage of the uAMP over the afterburner?  The is a 10:1 ratio of uAMPs over afterburners in the coop.

From the coop link

Afterburner - a MOSFET driver kit for Falcon F8 / F16V1 boards.

uAMP is a signal conditioner / amplifier which can be used with any square wave data source
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: Steve Gase on August 06, 2015, 11:40:06 AM
if you have a single string you want to extend, then use a uAmp.

if you have multiple strings you want to extend, then a Afterburner can be used as an 8-port bulk solution.  8 ports for less cost than the price of 8 uAmps.

(my opinion only...)  I don't quite get the afterburner for my needs.   you will have some distance already from the controller (f16v1 can do 20ft or more...) so you'd only need this if your controller could not cover the distance to the first pixel. 

if (like me) your strings go off in different directions, then to use the afterburner you'd need to place it where the strings go their separate ways.  for me this is near the controller where i already have 20ft to work with.   

if all of the strings go to the same place, then move your controller closer to the strings.

afterburner could be a good solution for a controller with less inherent distance -- maybe a zeus, and you'd put the afterburner next to the controller.

i hope by adding my thoughts/opinions it better explains the purpose of afterburner.
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: zwiller on August 06, 2015, 12:35:50 PM
Thanks.  I think it is clicking to me now, guys are also using the uAMP on non Falcon gear...  I just making sure I am not overlooking another use.  IE 4 port hub.  I was like who would want that?  Then I found out everyone was using it on the bench.  (after the COOP ended and I didn't get any...) ;D
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: Woody929 on August 06, 2015, 01:37:58 PM
Yep, I'm running all Sandevices gear thus I ordered a bunch of uAmps
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: CaptainMurdoch on August 06, 2015, 02:02:57 PM
Yep, I'm running all Sandevices gear thus I ordered a bunch of uAmps

Sounds like there could be a potential use for a standalone Afterburner or Multi-uAmp board with power in and 8-16 data in/out lines.  :)
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: zwiller on August 06, 2015, 02:38:43 PM
Good idea.  Another direction and the way I went is all Falcon.  Still baffled the coops is closing in on 1,000 uAMPS tho. 
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: mararunr on August 06, 2015, 02:54:28 PM
Good idea.  Another direction and the way I went is all Falcon.  Still baffled the coops is closing in on 1,000 uAMPS tho.

So for me the uAmps are all about the F16v2...yes it can go some distance but more importantly it can control 10,880 pixels.  It's pretty hard to put almost 11,000 pixels in to a small space unless you using a matrix.  So for me, the uAmp is insurance to ensure I can use ONE controller to control almost 11,000 pixels no matter where they are in my display (don't worry about distance from controller, just hook things up the way I want instead of having to consider if my controller is close enough).

HTH   
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: Gilrock on August 06, 2015, 03:20:43 PM
I don't even know what they do.  I just figured I should buy some just in case. :)
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: tbone321 on August 06, 2015, 04:39:44 PM
Good idea.  Another direction and the way I went is all Falcon.  Still baffled the coops is closing in on 1,000 uAMPS tho.

Why would that surprise you?  It has a whole lot of uses.  If you have large gaps between display items running on a single controller, you can use them in place of null nodes and go a much greater distance.  If you are using Ver 1 thru 3 SSC's and already have them configured and in your show but are having some controller to first node distance issues, just slap a uAMP on the end of the controller and problem solved.  This is much easier than selling the old controllers and buying and configuring ner ones and the board is so small that it will easily fit in the same PVC tube as the SSC if you are using that containment method.  I will be adding a few in the order just in case I have some issues in the future.
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: zwiller on August 07, 2015, 08:02:54 AM
Good points.  I am no way critiquing just trying to pry into the mindset to learn a bit. 

I still cannot wrap my mind around using 1 controller for 11k channels.  I guess a uAMP could be some sort of expander/power injection point here and then a very popular item and I might be underestimating this.  I am completely the opposite.  I have more controllers than typical.  6 for 6k channels with 2 FB4 coming.  All based on location and proximity to elements.   FB4s will hopefully completely eliminate any wire run over visible things like my entrance and wire out window.  After typing that it's probably not the most cost effective route and a F12v2 with dozen or so uAMP wins... 

Yeah, I suppose dumping old gear for new is the harder way but I already did most of it.  The SSC has no business in my show anymore.  I have just come to the conclusion my area is too harsh for them.  I could add a bunch of uAMP to SSCs and pack them all in marine case with a hub but then I'd basically have an F16. 

Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: Jshaver on October 12, 2015, 01:03:40 PM
I am in for at least 10 of these as well!
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: jnealand on October 12, 2015, 02:30:17 PM
You resurrecting an old thread.  The original coop has not even been delivered yet.  If you are lucky there may be a few available, but with a coop you must get in while the coop is open.
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: Wolfie on July 07, 2016, 11:08:36 AM
Since there is a new coop on these...

I wanted to verify that these boards operate on both 12v and 5v pixel lines when placed between chains of nodes?


Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: Setarcos on July 07, 2016, 11:53:55 AM
Yep, the uAmp will work with both voltages. Per the manual (http://falconchristmas.com/wiki/images/UAmp_Owners_and_Set-up_Manual_1.2.pdf), it will accept a voltage of 5-16V.
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: Wolfie on July 07, 2016, 12:20:46 PM
Yep, the uAmp will work with both voltages. Per the manual (http://falconchristmas.com/wiki/images/UAmp_Owners_and_Set-up_Manual_1.2.pdf), it will accept a voltage of 5-16V.

Thank you.  Just wanted to confirm prior to hopping into the coop thread.  Am changing most of my stuff over to 12v and doing due diligence prior to ordering.
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: Wichita on June 14, 2017, 08:17:32 AM

I posted in the wrong thread
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: fatcat46 on September 07, 2017, 04:28:36 PM
Now it is 2017 is there somewhere to buy the uAMP or micro amp?
Title: Re: Introducing New Hardware - ľAmp, Micro Amp - Signal Processor / Amplifier
Post by: jnealand on September 08, 2017, 09:01:55 AM
Best to try the buy sell area.  The 2017 coop is about to ship.  If there are left over they will go to first come first served once the excess is posted.