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Title: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: harrison0550 on June 12, 2016, 09:24:45 AM
 ;) ;)
Alright sorry for the delay in running a second group buy. Been moving and looking at different designs. So before I do anything I want to get some feedback from the community. I have narrowed it down to 3 options....

Option #1: Dont change anything. $12 may drop to $11.50 with large quantity again......
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t34/harrison0550/Power%20Distro%204_zpsvzfvti0p.jpg)
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t34/harrison0550/IMG_1371_zpsxuql8iqw.jpg)

Option#2: 8 port pluggable connectors $13. (FYI see pic below, I don't like this one as when I received the prototype the plugs are not straight and there is no way to get them perfectly straight. If things not perfectly in line drive you insane this is not the design for you)
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t34/harrison0550/power%20distro%20straight%20plugs_zps91dhmv9p.jpeg)
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t34/harrison0550/power%20distro%20straight%20plugs%202_zpstaq7uzu3.jpg)

Option#3: 8 port pluggable connectors turned on a right angle to make them a little straighter and added blown fuse indicator SMD LEDS. This one would come in at $14.
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t34/harrison0550/Right%20angle%20pluggable%203_zps5budbuc0.jpg)
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t34/harrison0550/right%20angle%20pluggable%202_zpshpylgmcq.jpg)
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t34/harrison0550/Right%20angle%20power%20distro%20pluggable_zpsj8ucmle9.jpg)

I've also debated adding a voltmeter but that might be a little overkill for a simple power distro board....
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t34/harrison0550/voltmeter_zpss2et74m1.jpg)

Please comment below and let me know what you would like to see for the next run.
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: rstehle on June 12, 2016, 09:43:34 AM
I purchased some of these boards during the first group buy, and found them to be perfectly adequate.  If any changes are made to them, I would like to see them just a bit bigger, with a larger wire gauge output connector if available.  Just curious why folks would request a plug-in connector?  The connector would likely have to be removed from the cable in the event of having to remove the cable from the enclosure, so why put one on?
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: harrison0550 on June 12, 2016, 09:47:09 AM
It was an item that was brought up for discussion a while back on one of the Christmas light confrence calls. It certainly doesn't need them and that is why I wanted the communities feedback before I ran anything. No sense in me designing something that everyone is just stuck with. Would rather have everyones input on design choices first. Thanks for the feedback rstehle!


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Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: didjareally on June 12, 2016, 09:57:37 AM
I like the originals and plan to buy more of them if they are offered, I dont see a need in my setup for many 8 port boards, if any.  Voltmeter, neat idea, but not needed in my opinion.  Same for the blown fuse indicators, I can see a need/want for those more than the voltmeter but as long as you buy fuses that are easy to see through then no big deal.  The only suggestion I remember seeing about the originals was putting the holes for the outputs closer together so that the connectors could be snapped together and installed as one piece before soldering, obviously this only helps those that buy in kit form. In the end, id be in for more of the originals, but at only a $2 difference then I can see the point in doing 8 port.
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: Buddhawood on June 12, 2016, 09:58:14 AM
I would prefer option #2  even though the vertical plugs may not be aligned but that is much prefered over having the plugs being horizontal and Having to raise the board in order for them to be installed.
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: Bill Ellick on June 12, 2016, 10:59:40 AM
I purchased 10 of the first run boards myself and like them.
If you make the boards with 8 outputs rather than 6, are you "de-rating" the outputs to 4 amps each?  Or will you allow a higher input amperage on the 8 output boards?

About the only thing that I would like is the blown fuse indicator on the original 6 output board design personally.

I can't see a reason for the voltmeter nor the pluggable connectors for the outputs although as rstehle noted, the ability to use a larger gauge wire in the output connector would be a "nice" feature.
I also think that 6 outputs is plenty for a board this size but slightly bigger would make connecting easier.
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: harrison0550 on June 12, 2016, 12:32:58 PM
Agreed! Yes it would be de-rating the outputs to less than 5 amps each. I looked for an input connector that was rated at 40+ amps and they are way to big and cost way to much for what we need. It looks like between here and Facebook posts the original design is reining supreme. I will look tonight at what output connector options are available with slightly larger AWG output.


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Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: whitebuck on June 12, 2016, 03:39:55 PM
I think the first 6 output original is sufficient.  I believe led indicators for blown fuses would be nice. 


Plug-able could also be handy with or without voltage indicator, but not critical.

I'd be in for 10 pcs to start.

Thanks
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: Dinkyr on June 12, 2016, 07:51:31 PM
Rather than a voltmeter, an amp meter would probably be more suited for this application. Of course that will add to the price.
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: battle79 on June 12, 2016, 08:02:37 PM
I agree that I would get more use from an ammeter than a volt meter, That said I'd want it visible from outside my enclosure so not really something to integrate into a distro board.

As far as having to derate the inputs for the 8 port model, just use two input connectors each running to 4 outputs. Will increase you amp capacity rather than decrease.

My vote is #2 with two input connectors, or just #1 again.

Regards,
Rowan
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: harrison0550 on June 12, 2016, 08:07:47 PM
I had thought about 2 input connectors but what steered me away from doing that was the cost. Those input connectors are the most expensive component on the board. I also looked at a 40 amp input connector and it was just way to expensive. My goal is to keep these things as low cost as possible. So far what I've heard today is the original design is preferred by most. I'm looking at adding the blown fuse indicators to the original design. It's dirt cheap to add those.


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Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: brianweb on June 12, 2016, 08:17:26 PM
I like the original, but with larger output connectors. It can be a challenge to get 18AWG into the first rev versions without it bunching up and having stray threads poking out.

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Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: smccoy on June 12, 2016, 08:57:40 PM
While I would love to see an 8-port version of this, I don't see the need for pluggable terminals on such a board.  For me, the original 6-port or an 8-port version of it (with or without blown fuse indicators) would be ideal but I will be interested in 10-15 of whatever design comes to fruition!
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: Lindiandbob on June 12, 2016, 09:25:55 PM
5 of option#1
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: gizmohd on June 12, 2016, 10:12:10 PM
id be in for 5 of option 1
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: Vavvoom on June 13, 2016, 09:37:39 AM
I would buy 5 of either the 6 or 8 port , I think the blow fuse indicator would be nice.
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: rlemery on June 13, 2016, 10:25:58 AM
6 or 8 port is fine. Blown fuse indercator and larger connector would be great. I use Ferrell's on all connections and could not get them to fit.

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Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: harrison0550 on June 13, 2016, 02:36:58 PM
After reading everyone's comments and trying to find a common ground here is what I have came up with for the next run. I am waiting to hear back from the board house but I believe I can run these with larger connectors and blown fuse indicator LED's for $12 a board. Thoughts?

(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t34/harrison0550/New%20VS%20old%20Comparison_zpsc36x6xi2.jpg)
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: smccoy on June 13, 2016, 02:47:55 PM
After reading everyone's comments and trying to find a common ground here is what I have came up with for the next run. I am waiting to hear back from the board house but I believe I can run these with larger connectors and blown fuse indicator LED's for $12 a board. Thoughts?

(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t34/harrison0550/New%20VS%20old%20Comparison_zpsc36x6xi2.jpg)
Looks great to me. I'm building several matrix props this year and these will be great.

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Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: harrison0550 on June 13, 2016, 03:04:27 PM
Couple of other enhancements on the new layout posted above.....
I overlapped the power output footprints so they will snap together on the larger connectors. I will run a small 10 board run to make sure this works like it should before running the large order. I also bumped the screw holes to the outside of the board as I remember that being a pain for some as it was right in front of the two end screw terminals. The board house also hated where the original screw holes were as they would snap off being so close to the edge when they broke apart the penalized boards. I remember them sending me these pictures after the last run and ask me to move the holes if I ran these again.....   

Ooops  :o :o

(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t34/harrison0550/P2_zpsigbstlad.jpg)

(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t34/harrison0550/5356684e-cebd-4adf-83b6-d2ac9b35be74_zpschorcppj.jpg)
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: rstehle on June 13, 2016, 03:13:15 PM
You nailed it Andy!!  Thanks!!
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: harrison0550 on June 13, 2016, 03:24:34 PM
You nailed it Andy!!  Thanks!!

Thanks!
I just ordered 10 of them. They should be here in a week or so. I will post a video when they come in of testing. All good and I will open them up for a group buy!
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: rlemery on June 13, 2016, 03:30:15 PM
Looks good. Love it when a great product gets even better.

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Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: Scoobysnacks on June 13, 2016, 06:43:15 PM
I really like the revised design with the blown fuse LEDs, and specifically the larger screw-in terminals upgraded to handle larger gauge wire.  I will be interested in purchasing once you get your production quantities.  Looks like you've got a good design that fills a legitimate need, and incorporates best-of-breed features.

For those who like their gadgets and to option things out, I wanted to share some quick and easy mods you can easily add like I will be doing:  8)


1) digital voltmeter display option under $1.50, multiple colors available to suit your Christmas themed fancy:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Practical-Three-0-36-Inch-Digital-Tube-Mini-LED-Voltmeter-Voltage-Tester-Meter-/282055814896


2) digital thermometer option, black or white, under $1.30:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-LCD-Digital-Thermometer-for-Fridge-Freezer-Aquarium-FISH-TANK-Temperature-2Y-/281797168289


3) also around $1.30, for you folks in more humid climates that may also want to know how much moisture is inside your controller boxes:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Understated-Digital-LCD-Indoor-Temperature-Humidity-Meter-Thermometer-Hygrometer-/381551833287


All three of these are very easy mods that you can add to your power supply/distribution boxes to monitor what's going on with your setup.  Granted, the voltmeter is kinda pointless because you already know your working voltage unless something has gone terribly awry with your power supply(s).

Note that for options 2 & 3, these are Celsius display only.  Farenheight gauges are also readily available, but the ones I've found are typically 3x the cost.

Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: Vavvoom on June 14, 2016, 07:31:31 AM
Andy,

Looks great, thanks very much for doing the work on this so that everyone gets a great product!!!!

Chris
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: pixelpuppy on June 14, 2016, 09:16:28 AM
Andy, you didn't exactly say, but can you clarify the operation of  the "blown fuse" LEDs?  For simplicty and low cost I'm guessing they are normally lit all the time and if a fuse is blown, then that led goes out with all the other still lit.

For everybody that says they want the blow fuse LEDs, do you really want them if they are lit up all the time?   Andy can you confirm if this is how they would be?
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: darrell575 on June 14, 2016, 09:18:14 AM
Andy, you didn't exactly say, but can you clarify the operation of  the "blown fuse" LEDs?  For simplicty and low cost I'm guessing they are normally lit all the time and if a fuse is blown, then that led goes out with all the other still lit.

If that is the case, like with many controllers, I prefer to NOT have those LEDs shining all the time and leave them off.  If they are normally dark and only light up when the fuse is blown then that would be cool, but I don't suspect that's how these work.

For everybody that says they want the blow fuse LEDs, do you really want them if they are lit up all the time?   Andy can you confirm if this is how they would be?  Most of the controllers work this way and I was under the impression that most people opt to not install these fuse LEDs on those boards


They are normally off. Once the fuse blows the LED lights up.


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Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: harrison0550 on June 14, 2016, 09:18:54 AM
Yes they are lit until the fuse blows then they turn off.


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Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: pixelpuppy on June 14, 2016, 09:28:37 AM
Darrell and Andy gave two opposite answers.   Based on the drawings and cost, I suspect they are normally on all the time, which is what Andy said.

Just want to make sure that everybody who says they want the "blown fuse" LEDs understands this.  The name "blown fuse indicator" kinda sorta sounds like it lights up to indicate a blown fuse, but I believe it's the opposite.  Normally all LEDs lit up all the time unless a fuse is blown then that one led would be out. 
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: darrell575 on June 14, 2016, 09:28:56 AM
Yes they are lit until the fuse blows then they turn off.


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Sorry I retract my statement!



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Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: darrell575 on June 14, 2016, 09:31:09 AM
Darrell and Andy gave two opposite answers.   Based on the drawings and cost, I suspect they are normally on all the time, which is what Andy said.

Just want to make sure that everybody who says they want them understands this.  The name "blown fuse indicator" kinda sorta sounds like it lights up to indicate a blown fuse, but I believe it's the opposite.  Normally all LEDs lit up all the time unless a fuse is blown then that one led would be out.

I retracted my statement! Don't listen to me I don't develop the board I'm just going to buy them! ;)


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Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: darrell575 on June 14, 2016, 09:42:34 AM
My distro boards will be inside of an enclosure with a PSU, so the lights on the board lit up will be ok.


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Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: darrell575 on June 14, 2016, 09:43:25 AM
My distro boards will be inside of an enclosure with a PSU, so the lights on the board lit up will be ok.


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But I speak for myself!


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Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: harrison0550 on June 14, 2016, 09:53:31 AM
My thought process here was to keep the cost low and to make it easier to identify what fuse was blown in the dark along with letting the user know when there is power to the board. So if you open your enclosure and normally you have 6 led's lit on the board and you only see 4 it's easy to identify what two were blown in the dark. Tiny SMD led's inside an enclosure shouldn't be a visual hindrance.


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Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: pixelpuppy on June 14, 2016, 09:59:56 AM

I hear ya.  I was just wondering if everybody who said they wanted them realizes they are on all the time and this could make a difference in some installations.   True, they are small and it would be easy to tape over them if needed to block the light.

Another concern I have with the LEDs is won't that make the board locked in to a specific voltage?  Now you will need different boards for 5v or 12v or other voltages.
I know LEDs are cool and in this case almost no additional cost, but there are pro's and con's and I personally would prefer to not have these LEDs for these reasons:
 1. don't like having them lit up all the time in a nighttime display
 2. would like the boards to be universal voltage (same board for either 5v or 12v)
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: harrison0550 on June 14, 2016, 10:07:35 AM
It will be the same board for both 12v and 5v. You can use a resistor value that will operate both LEDs in safe voltage. They will just be a little dimmer on 5v than on 12v.

I agree they could be a nuisance if placed in a clear enclosure or out in the open. I will have video of them in operation in a week or so. If the led's are to much they are simple enough to 86 from the design.


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Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: rstehle on June 14, 2016, 10:47:52 AM
1. don't like having them lit up all the time in a nighttime display

Got a hot air gun?  You can remove the LED's in about 5 seconds..........
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: algerdes on June 14, 2016, 10:54:55 AM
How about an alternative to being on all the time. 


Connect all the common (ground?) lines from the indicator LEDs, put a switch on it before it makes with the master ground. 


To check if power is available, press the button.  What ever does not light up indicates a blown fuse.
This keeps the LEDs from being on all the time, but also allows for the operator to quickly check.

Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: harrison0550 on June 14, 2016, 11:01:23 AM
How about an alternative to being on all the time. 


Connect all the common (ground?) lines from the indicator LEDs, put a switch on it before it makes with the master ground. 


To check if power is available, press the button.  What ever does not light up indicates a blown fuse.
This keeps the LEDs from being on all the time, but also allows for the operator to quickly check.
That's actually a pretty awesome idea! Dang where were you before I ran a 10 board sample yesterday. Lol. Looks like I need to order another run tonight.


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Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: tbone321 on June 14, 2016, 11:16:50 AM
You could do that or you could use a simple jumper to control the common.  You could even use a 3 pin jumper and deal with both the voltage issue and the LED's being on or not.  One set of pins (say the right and center) would connect the ground to the 12V current limiting resistor, the other side of the pins (left and center) would connect to the 5V current limiting resistor and leaving the jumper on just one pin or completely removed turns the LED's off. 
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: algerdes on June 14, 2016, 11:20:23 AM
The jumper pins would definitely work.

The reason I suggested the switch was for field testing.  Easy enough to open the case, hit the button and see (or not).
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: tbone321 on June 14, 2016, 11:32:14 AM
The switch would work well for field testing but if the board is in a closed case, why not just leave them on.  If cost control is an issue, switches cost more money than jumpers (even 3 pin), take up more space on the board, and you still have the issue with a single current limiting resistor over the two different voltages.  A N.O. push button switch will still be easier to check the status of the fuses than a jumper in the cases when you only want the LED's on to check fuse status, especially in the dark but if you just want them on or off, the jumper is effective and lower cost.
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: harrison0550 on June 14, 2016, 11:32:30 AM
The jumper pins would definitely work.

The reason I suggested the switch was for field testing.  Easy enough to open the case, hit the button and see (or not).
Yea I hate jumpers. I try to avoid using them wherever possible. I always drop those little things then have to search my junk drawer for one. I really like the button idea. Press down to test fuses and give you led's to show the board is getting power, release and it's dark. Super easy/dirt cheap to implement. Kinda mad at myself for not thinking of it. As for the multiple resistors I tested various resistor values on both 12v and 5v and found several that will run both voltages and light up the LED in safe ranges so no need for any adjustment or additional components or even worse 2 separate boards.
 


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Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: rstehle on June 14, 2016, 01:46:37 PM
Just curious how many of us would use this board out in the open where those tiny indicator LED's could actually be a distraction to the show???  All my stuff is in enclosures, which are definitely closed when I am not in there tinkering........  I would want the LED's on all of the time so I know all channels are good (or to find a blown fuse) when troubleshooting issues.  If your setup is in your Garage (or inside somewhere) how would the indicators be a distraction there? 
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: battle79 on June 14, 2016, 04:25:04 PM
I'd assumed the indicator lights only came on when a fuse was blown like the standard automotive ones that are similar. If possible this is my preference.

Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: harrison0550 on June 14, 2016, 05:33:56 PM
Let me explain why I do not think the blown fuse indicator should light the LED when the fuse is blown. Those little fuses that include an LED inside them that lights up when blown always have to have a completed circuit to work. For our use case scenario I don't see that being effective. If you walk outside your house and a string of pixels is out and you purchased a fuse board from me the first thing you are going to do is look to see if a fuse is blown and you would expect it to 100% of the time tell you if that fuse is blown or not. If anything happened to that string of pixels such as something chewed or cut the string, or it bridged etc that fuse would blow but not light up and would have you scratching your head as to why its not working right. Now if its done the other way where the circuit stays completed on the board until the fuse is blown then goes out it woldunt mater if there was a string hooked up, chewed/cut, or bridged. If the fuse blows the LED goes out regardless of what has happened to the pixel string. There is a way to create a load on the board itself to complete the circuit but I'm not a fan of that either for several reasons.

Here is a short video showing what I mean. Just want to make sure everyone understands how those blown fuse indicator fuses work........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIUzk7XV0DI



Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: didjareally on June 14, 2016, 06:06:03 PM
the blown fuse indicators work the same way on the f16v2(are always lit, if a fuse blows then that led goes out) and those are going to put out alot more light than these little power boards. Granted not everyone runs them on the controller.  Im not sure how having some lights on the power board lit all the time is going to affect the light display, its not going to make your enclosure glow or light up a room inside the house or garage if they arent in an enclosure.
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: harrison0550 on June 14, 2016, 06:35:25 PM
I really like the common ground switch idea as it's cheap like a dime for most of those switches plus the assembly charge but it fulfills everyone's requests. Looking around now at switch options and I love the idea of a switch that only lights the led's when it's pressed (momentary switches) but I also like the option of the slide switch (on/off) for those who want the led's on all the time. I'm leaning towards the slide switch. If you want it on all the time just leave it on. If you just want to test your fuses then flip it off you can do that as well. Win win. Anyone have any slide switch recommendations they have used on boards in the past? There are only about 20K options out there.


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Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: harrison0550 on June 14, 2016, 09:02:25 PM
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t34/harrison0550/Power%20Distro%20Switch_zpsaeb3tjls.jpg)

(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t34/harrison0550/Power%20Distro%20Switch%202_zps388exip5.jpg)
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: smccoy on June 14, 2016, 09:05:21 PM
Like the layout and use of a slide switch over a pushbutton.  Makes it easy to use no matter the end-user's preference on LEDs!
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: harrison0550 on June 14, 2016, 09:09:51 PM
Yup now comes the real question. Cost! Sent the components and layout off to the board house. Hopefully they can source all the components at a great price and give me a good price on assembly. I will keep you all updated. Thanks for all the feedback everyone!


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Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: AAH on June 15, 2016, 06:08:20 AM
Not that I have any intention of buying any but it looks like from the 3d render there is copper quite close to the mounting holes. I personally prefer to keep the copper a reasonable distance back from the mounting holes as there tends to be some people around who are a bit agricultural  with their mounting. If metal standoffs and screws are used there is some risk of shorting things out.
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: algerdes on June 15, 2016, 03:34:40 PM
Like the layout and use of a slide switch over a pushbutton.  Makes it easy to use no matter the end-user's preference on LEDs!


Actually, I do too.  Nice modification!
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: harrison0550 on June 15, 2016, 05:34:48 PM
Thanks!

Alright I heard back from the board house and I can run these at a 500 quantity run for $12 each! Woop Woop!!!

Moved the copper pour over a little to offset from the mounting holes. Just in case somebody gets happy with a screw  :o

I ordered a small run of 10 boards with the switch so the moment they come in I will test them and start the group buy. Thanks again for all the feedback everyone.....

(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t34/harrison0550/Power%20Distro%20RevB%20Finished_zpsjeoj6m9z.jpg)

(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t34/harrison0550/Power%20Distro%20RevB%20finished%202_zpsxgrz9sha.jpg)
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: smccoy on June 15, 2016, 05:39:39 PM
Excellent!  Can't wait to see how they turn out.

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Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: harrison0550 on June 15, 2016, 05:54:06 PM
I can't believe it's only been 8 weeks since the last group buy shipped. Feels like so long ago based off the emails and other messages I've received wanting to know when the next one starts. I apologize in advance for everywhere I plan to post this one when it starts. I'll probably annoy myself. Just don't want anyone to miss this run as it will likely be the last large run until after display time. :)


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Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: didjareally on June 15, 2016, 08:13:15 PM
now no more feedback, or we'll never get to the group buy   ;D
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: darrell575 on June 16, 2016, 03:46:06 AM
now no more feedback, or we'll never get to the group buy   ;D

Yeah you have to cut Andy off at some point. I learned that with the PiHats. If everyone was to keep it up we would have a power distro board with a 5.7L HEMI on top of it! 😝

But hey what can I say he gives the community what they want, so I can't be to hard on him!



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Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: deplanche on June 16, 2016, 07:28:47 PM
One additional suggestion.  The "on/off" switch might easily be confused for being able to turn on and off the power coming from the board rather than just turning on or off the blown fuse indicators. Since this is only going to be used with low voltage, it probably isn't too much of a safety concern, but could still be confusing to someone who didn't realize what it was for.  Adding some type of indication of what the switch is for might be worthwhile to help avoid confusion.
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: harrison0550 on June 16, 2016, 09:27:30 PM
Done and Done! I personally think it's my best work to date. ;D ;D ;D ;D

You know if we are going to go hemi we might as well put dual turbos on it as well. I will reach out to the board house and see if they can source the added "components". I don't expect it will increase the cost by much :P :P ::) ::)............


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Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: whitebuck on June 17, 2016, 02:36:55 AM
Well I was wondering how I might just include my truck into the display!  Why stop at just the hemi!
Lol!


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Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: Bill Ellick on June 17, 2016, 06:12:35 AM
Nice Andy !   :o

Why stop at a hemi?  We need plenty of power so maybe a nice surplus J57 jet engine would kick things up a bit!  ;D  It would certainly keep the leaves off your yard too!
I don't suppose it shows that I used to work on the darn things eh?  8)
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: darrell575 on June 17, 2016, 09:29:15 AM
Nice Andy !   :o

Why stop at a hemi?  We need plenty of power so maybe a nice surplus J57 jet engine would kick things up a bit!  ;D  It would certainly keep the leaves off your yard too!
I don't suppose it shows that I used to work on the darn things eh?  8)


Oh brother!!! We are never going to get these boards done! :)

I like the jet engine idea! But can we please add another switch to turn off the glow from the engine Andy?

Or add DMX control to it so I can sequence it into my display?

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Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: harrison0550 on June 17, 2016, 09:31:32 AM
Hahahahaha. Love it. FYI I got the shipping notice from the board house this morning. Should have a prototype in hand early next week. Group buy will start the moment I verify everything is good on the boards. The jet was just a day late. Sorry, maybe RevC.


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Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: darrell575 on June 17, 2016, 09:38:19 AM
Dang it!!! I already pre-ordered my jet engine from Aliexpress!! 😝
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: whitebuck on June 17, 2016, 10:11:42 AM
What's worse is I was about ready to post the group buy for the enclosure!


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Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: darrell575 on June 17, 2016, 10:25:18 AM
What's worse is I was about ready to post the group buy for the enclosure!


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I already contacted Tupperware to see if they can guarantee it will hold up to the heat!




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Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: JonB256 on June 17, 2016, 10:29:42 AM
What's worse is I was about ready to post the group buy for the enclosure!


That would required a CG-15,000,000-SS enclosure.
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: Skunberg on June 17, 2016, 10:59:40 AM
now no more feedback, or we'll never get to the group buy   ;D
I disagree,  the discussion makes for a better product for all of us. The time is well spent no matter how anxious we are. Far better than changing in mid group buy or the "I wish I had waited for the next group buy" thoughts. IMHO.
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: Kendall Walker on June 17, 2016, 11:21:52 AM
Andy now that you have a Flame throwing, Blown fuse detecting, Fused power distribution board what's going to be next. A board that puts up and takes down everyone's displays?  ::)
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: pixelpuppy on June 17, 2016, 11:50:41 AM
... the discussion makes for a better product for all of us. The time is well spent no matter how anxious we are. Far better than changing in mid group buy or the "I wish I had waited for the next group buy" thoughts. IMHO.
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Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: algerdes on June 18, 2016, 10:59:11 AM
Only question I have is, with the Hemi onboard, how does one change the fuses?   :-\
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: rlemery on June 18, 2016, 11:10:11 AM
Probably remove a valve cover. ;)

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Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: didjareally on June 18, 2016, 01:28:05 PM
now no more feedback, or we'll never get to the group buy   ;D
I disagree,  the discussion makes for a better product for all of us. The time is well spent no matter how anxious we are. Far better than changing in mid group buy or the "I wish I had waited for the next group buy" thoughts. IMHO.


it was a joke......
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: Skunberg on June 18, 2016, 02:44:02 PM
now no more feedback, or we'll never get to the group buy   ;D
I disagree,  the discussion makes for a better product for all of us. The time is well spent no matter how anxious we are. Far better than changing in mid group buy or the "I wish I had waited for the next group buy" thoughts. IMHO.


it was a joke......
I thought so but it doesn't hurt to put out my opinion after seeing some things over the years. Of course after your post things have gotten silly entertaining rather than productive. Oh, well.
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: darrell575 on June 19, 2016, 11:16:51 AM

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I thought so but it doesn't hurt to put out my opinion after seeing some things over the years. Of course after your post things have gotten silly entertaining rather than productive. Oh, well.
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So we had a little fun after the productive board design was done. It was all in good fun, and no harm was meant by any of the comments.


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Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: Skunberg on June 20, 2016, 12:15:34 PM

I thought so but it doesn't hurt to put out my opinion after seeing some things over the years. Of course after your post things have gotten silly entertaining rather than productive. Oh, well.
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So we had a little fun after the productive board design was done. It was all in good fun, and no harm was meant by any of the comments.


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Of course, no problem. I just spoke up to let any ideas keep coming for a better product rather than improve each batch. The fun and games kinda took the wind out of the sails. But that's my problem, gotta have some fun too.
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: harrison0550 on June 22, 2016, 06:34:28 PM
All in good fun. :) I received the first prototype run today. (The ones without the switch)

Comparison in size of output connectors from the original design...
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160623/7a4bedc12da4336323f95e4426dcef2e.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160623/fec6bcd44fb99a2a3beeb629fe341677.jpg)

Also tested the led's on 12v and love them.....
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160623/ec2c640ee9384fcb8919cd6d2a03954a.jpg)

Tested them on 5v and love them as well...
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160623/b210ef35dbe8cd43faa7cdab0080163c.jpg)

Popped a fuse and pulled a fuse and the light shuts off perfectly....
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160623/d8d08a1cf6916ab4a42c59f5dfc84b5b.jpg)

All in I'm very happy with this design but will wait until the switch comes in and I test it before I open up the group by.


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Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: AAH on June 22, 2016, 08:13:47 PM
Looks good.
Just a few queries purely out of curiosity.
Were the original connectors 3.5mm pitch and you've changed to 5mm or 0.2"?
Will the leds and resistors handle being powered with 24 or 36V for those who might want to use the board for fairy lights or similar rather than pixels? There's also the possibility it could be used for feeding into buck converters to step down to 5V or 12V.
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: Vavvoom on June 23, 2016, 12:00:03 AM
I love these, can't wait to add these to my power boxes.


Thanks again for setting all this up.


Chris
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: David Pitts on June 23, 2016, 02:28:26 PM
He said the boards have a certain value resistor that is good for all normally used voltages.
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: Scoobysnacks on June 26, 2016, 04:18:54 PM
I have been away from this forum thread for a few days, so just noticed the "revised" designs with the twin-turbo V8 powered power distro block.  I was laughing my arse off from those - well done, Andy.   The engine detail was quite accurate.   Just out of curiosity, are you using Solidworks, AutoCAD, or something similar to do your design prototyping?

All in all the design revisions are looking very good.  The slide switch idea for the LEDs is clutch.

Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: smccoy on June 26, 2016, 08:46:41 PM
Looking good!
Title: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: harrison0550 on June 26, 2016, 08:50:31 PM
Thanks guys! The one with the switch will be here tomorrow according to DHL!! I will put up a quick video of testing the led's and switch along with blowing fuses etc on both 12v and 5v. Looking forward to getting this group buy started ASAP.

Oh and I use eagle for all my pcb layouts.


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Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: esolo on June 27, 2016, 12:00:07 AM
Im in for any of the 3 versions, these look awesome!
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: Griz on June 27, 2016, 12:22:46 AM
I'm interested in a few. Have the pricing and shipping details been worked out yet?
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: Vavvoom on June 27, 2016, 09:44:16 PM
I don't know if final, but last he posted it was $12.00 not sure on the shipping.
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: whitebuck on June 29, 2016, 11:30:57 AM
Did the group buy details get posted yet?


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Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: harrison0550 on June 29, 2016, 04:32:40 PM
Not yet but the group buy will start this week. I received the final layout and everything tested beautifully I will post a video ASAP. I will also post a link here when I get the group buy typed up. Cost will be $12 a board if we get to a run of 500. Here are a couple pics from literally on the road in my truck traveling between offices. If I get home before 11:00 tonight I will get it kicked off tonight. If not it will be tomorrow. Thanks!

PS. Sorry for the bad pics. I will get better up very soon.....
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160629/02029da18073862d4b378cda20954496.jpg)(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160629/82135c62d06103a05177d269a1cb7afd.jpg)(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160629/cdc935eafdb0bf4435a56ca330b6c270.jpg)


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Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: smccoy on June 29, 2016, 07:12:37 PM
That turned out really well.  Can't wait to get them on order!!
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: didjareally on June 29, 2016, 08:04:13 PM
lookin good, but type up the group buy and get it started tomorrow, dont worry about it tonight, gotta save some energy for later in the year.  lol
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: harrison0550 on June 29, 2016, 08:23:11 PM
Will do. Here's a few more pics....

On....
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160630/3fdb9677b2d7380a0a4f62726b2817fc.jpg)

Off....
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160630/f135fc34cb2a4015262ddbcfb3bb774e.jpg)

Fuse pulled/blown on...
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160630/2938160d2a2037d3ed66080dd29722b9.jpg)

Fused pulled/blown off....
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Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: algerdes on June 30, 2016, 08:27:37 AM
Nice!
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: deanathpc on June 30, 2016, 12:02:01 PM
All in good fun. :) I received the first prototype run today. (The ones without the switch)

Comparison in size of output connectors from the original design...
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160623/7a4bedc12da4336323f95e4426dcef2e.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160623/fec6bcd44fb99a2a3beeb629fe341677.jpg)

Also tested the led's on 12v and love them.....
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160623/ec2c640ee9384fcb8919cd6d2a03954a.jpg)

Tested them on 5v and love them as well...
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160623/b210ef35dbe8cd43faa7cdab0080163c.jpg)

Popped a fuse and pulled a fuse and the light shuts off perfectly....
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160623/d8d08a1cf6916ab4a42c59f5dfc84b5b.jpg)

All in I'm very happy with this design but will wait until the switch comes in and I test it before I open up the group by.


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I'd like to know if the device you are using to measure voltage is something you made or if purchased elsewhere.  Either way I'd love to get my hands on some of them.  :)
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: whitebuck on June 30, 2016, 12:56:59 PM
Check out item 191547907456 on eBay, sorry I couldn't paste the link from the app.


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Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: mararunr on June 30, 2016, 12:58:17 PM
All in good fun. :) I received the first prototype run today. (The ones without the switch)...

Popped a fuse and pulled a fuse and the light shuts off perfectly....
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160623/d8d08a1cf6916ab4a42c59f5dfc84b5b.jpg)

All in I'm very happy with this design but will wait until the switch comes in and I test it before I open up the group by.

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I'd like to know if the device you are using to measure voltage is something you made or if purchased elsewhere.  Either way I'd love to get my hands on some of them.  :)


I believe they are these...https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BZPH6KQ/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AFHAE9RJVUMB (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BZPH6KQ/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AFHAE9RJVUMB)
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: deanathpc on June 30, 2016, 01:09:18 PM
All in good fun. :) I received the first prototype run today. (The ones without the switch)...

Popped a fuse and pulled a fuse and the light shuts off perfectly....
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160623/d8d08a1cf6916ab4a42c59f5dfc84b5b.jpg)

All in I'm very happy with this design but will wait until the switch comes in and I test it before I open up the group by.

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I'd like to know if the device you are using to measure voltage is something you made or if purchased elsewhere.  Either way I'd love to get my hands on some of them.  :)


I believe they are these...https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BZPH6KQ/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AFHAE9RJVUMB (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BZPH6KQ/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AFHAE9RJVUMB)
Sweet!!!  And in different colors! That is awesome!  Thank you.  Price is low enough that I won't even notice the extra cost.  ;)
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: harrison0550 on June 30, 2016, 01:21:39 PM
You can find them on Aliexpress for under $1 each with free shipping. The main reason I scratched the idea of adding it directly to the board is because you can get them so dirt cheap. I cant even make those things as cheap as you can buy them for. I think I got 20 or so for around 20 bucks.
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: mararunr on June 30, 2016, 02:00:32 PM
You can find them on Aliexpress for under $1 each with free shipping. The main reason I scratched the idea of adding it directly to the board is because you can get them so dirt cheap. I cant even make those things as cheap as you can buy them for. I think I got 20 or so for around 20 bucks.

Would you mind sharing link?
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: harrison0550 on June 30, 2016, 06:15:05 PM
RevB co-op is now open at the link below..........

http://falconchristmas.com/forum/index.php/topic,5121.0.html
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: CaptainMurdoch on June 30, 2016, 11:17:03 PM
You can find them on Aliexpress for under $1 each with free shipping. The main reason I scratched the idea of adding it directly to the board is because you can get them so dirt cheap. I cant even make those things as cheap as you can buy them for. I think I got 20 or so for around 20 bucks.

Would you mind sharing link?

I don't have one from AliExpress, but here is one from banggood.com:  http://www.banggood.com/10Pcs-Red-LED-0_28-Inch-2_5V-30V-Mini-Digital-Voltmeter-Voltage-Tester-Meter-p-1047421.html (http://www.banggood.com/10Pcs-Red-LED-0_28-Inch-2_5V-30V-Mini-Digital-Voltmeter-Voltage-Tester-Meter-p-1047421.html)
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: jnealand on July 01, 2016, 10:19:00 AM
Here is something similar I have on order from ebay.  Still waiting for that slow boat from China to arrive, LOL
http://www.ebay.com/itm/301956535072?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT (http://www.ebay.com/itm/301956535072?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: tbone321 on July 01, 2016, 12:29:45 PM
Is 10A max going to be enough for where you are going to place them?  I like the idea and will be looking to add a few volt meters to the inputs of the power distribution boards I got in the last coop but 10A will be way to low on the current side for the load that will be on those boards. 
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: jnealand on July 01, 2016, 04:39:11 PM
My plan is to put a 3 pin connector on both the input and output connectors and use them to check on individual strings just by placing the unit inline either during testing or during sequence playback.  I have no interest in looking at controllers totals as I seldom fully populate all the connections on a controller nor put long strings on most connections.  For me this is more for fun and learning.
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: CaptainMurdoch on July 01, 2016, 09:20:28 PM
Here is something similar I have on order from ebay.  Still waiting for that slow boat from China to arrive, LOL
http://www.ebay.com/itm/301956535072?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT (http://www.ebay.com/itm/301956535072?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)

Thanks, just ordered one of those myself.
Title: Re: Power Distro RevB group buy interest
Post by: jnealand on July 02, 2016, 10:31:12 AM
Capt, if mine get here before the Expo I will bring one along.