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Title: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: David Pitts on September 19, 2016, 08:30:08 AM
Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.

http://pixelcontroller.com/store/index.php?id_product=47&controller=product

* Two WS2811 fused and buffered outputs.
* One Dedicated DMX/Renard/LOR RS-485 Output (Selectable)
* Real Time Clock for Standalone.
* 5V or 7-24V Input Selectable
* Completely Assembled
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: Bshaver on September 19, 2016, 08:58:26 AM
Dave, what type of connector for the WS2811 strings? I dont see the 4 pin european type connector like on the V2 boards.
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: David Pitts on September 19, 2016, 09:38:08 AM
3-pin right angle Euro.
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: deacon on September 19, 2016, 10:34:17 PM
Would you be able to run LOR controllers off the RS-485 output and also run a few WS2811 strings from the  other outputs at the same time/off the same PiCap?  Would you need a LOR dongle attached to the PiCap to run the LOR controllers?  Thank You!
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: David Pitts on September 19, 2016, 11:32:37 PM
Yes. No Need for LOR dongle
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: JonB256 on September 20, 2016, 07:35:32 AM
Would you be able to run LOR controllers off the RS-485 output and also run a few WS2811 strings from the  other outputs at the same time/off the same PiCap?  Would you need a LOR dongle attached to the PiCap to run the LOR controllers?  Thank You!

The LOR output may be using DMX protocol, not the actual LOR protocol.  It would be wired correctly, but DMX (which LOR controllers understand)
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: tbone321 on September 20, 2016, 07:53:47 AM
Is it using the DMX or the LOR protocol?  It appears that you can select between 3 separate protocols.  Why even mention the LOR protocol if you are just using DMX.  While LOR controllers can understand DMX, you cannot use the built in functions when using DMX.  It's too bad that PixelNet wasn't included in this selection.
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: JonB256 on September 20, 2016, 08:16:44 AM
Is it using the DMX or the LOR protocol?  It appears that you can select between 3 separate protocols.  Why even mention the LOR protocol if you are just using DMX.  While LOR controllers can understand DMX, you cannot use the built in functions when using DMX.  It's too bad that PixelNet wasn't included in this selection.

The three listed outputs (LOR, Renard, DMX) all use different pinouts.

LOR uses pins 4 and 5  (also the D-Light boards)
Renard uses pins 5 and 4
DMX (and Pixelnet) use pins 1 and 2

The jumpers make that change. Since RS485 is a Differential signal, the +Data and -Data must be on the correct RJ45 pins to work.
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: CaptainMurdoch on September 20, 2016, 08:29:51 AM
Is it using the DMX or the LOR protocol?  It appears that you can select between 3 separate protocols.  Why even mention the LOR protocol if you are just using DMX.  While LOR controllers can understand DMX, you cannot use the built in functions when using DMX.  It's too bad that PixelNet wasn't included in this selection.

The RS-485 output on this board connects to the Pi's onboard serial port, so it can actually be used for any serial output that FPP supports, which includes PixelNet, LOR, Renard, DMX, GenericSerial, and even Triks-C if the UI was updated to list the device name for the onboard serial.  There is only one serial output though, so it will only support one Pixelnet universe.
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: tbone321 on September 20, 2016, 08:36:00 AM
Is it using the DMX or the LOR protocol?  It appears that you can select between 3 separate protocols.  Why even mention the LOR protocol if you are just using DMX.  While LOR controllers can understand DMX, you cannot use the built in functions when using DMX.  It's too bad that PixelNet wasn't included in this selection.

The three listed outputs (LOR, Renard, DMX) all use different pinouts.

LOR uses pins 4 and 5  (also the D-Light boards)
Renard uses pins 5 and 4
DMX uses pins 1 and 2

The jumpers make that change. Since RS485 is a Differential signal, the +Data and -Data must be on the correct RJ45 pins to work.

I understand that but there are 3 jumpers.  Two if them can control the position of the pins that the data lines are on so what is the purpose of the third? 
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: tbone321 on September 20, 2016, 08:38:32 AM
The RS-485 output on this board connects to the Pi's onboard serial port, so it can actually be used for any serial output that FPP supports, which includes PixelNet, LOR, Renard, DMX, GenericSerial, and even Triks-C if the UI was updated to list the device name for the onboard serial.  There is only one serial output though, so it will only support one Pixelnet universe.

One universe is all I need for this purpose.  Is there any documentation on any of this?
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: JonB256 on September 20, 2016, 08:44:03 AM
Captain Murdoch, if the RasPi serial port controls the output on the PiCap (independent of the WS281X out), I see that it would allow all those protocols, including Pixelnet (4096 channels). The jumpers just make sure the +data and -data are on the correct pins inside the RJ45 jack.

I'll edit my earlier post.

And, the third jumper is for a ground line.
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: CaptainMurdoch on September 20, 2016, 12:13:45 PM
The RS-485 output on this board connects to the Pi's onboard serial port, so it can actually be used for any serial output that FPP supports, which includes PixelNet, LOR, Renard, DMX, GenericSerial, and even Triks-C if the UI was updated to list the device name for the onboard serial.  There is only one serial output though, so it will only support one Pixelnet universe.

One universe is all I need for this purpose.  Is there any documentation on any of this?

Checkout this thread  http://falconchristmas.com/forum/index.php/topic,3399.msg54720.html#msg54720 (http://falconchristmas.com/forum/index.php/topic,3399.msg54720.html#msg54720) for info on the changes you need to make to disable the serial console and set the port to allow DMX and Pixelnet.  I want to get a script setup to automatically apply these changes, but that may way until v2.0.
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: deacon on September 20, 2016, 04:14:50 PM
Is it using the DMX or the LOR protocol?  It appears that you can select between 3 separate protocols.  Why even mention the LOR protocol if you are just using DMX.  While LOR controllers can understand DMX, you cannot use the built in functions when using DMX.  It's too bad that PixelNet wasn't included in this selection.

The three listed outputs (LOR, Renard, DMX) all use different pinouts.

LOR uses pins 4 and 5  (also the D-Light boards)
Renard uses pins 5 and 4
DMX (and Pixelnet) use pins 1 and 2

The jumpers make that change. Since RS485 is a Differential signal, the +Data and -Data must be on the correct RJ45 pins to work.


Thank you for the explanation, this is a versatile board, very excited to use it!
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: sonic777 on September 22, 2016, 10:15:52 PM
I have two questions about this cap, maybe I missed this information.
1. What version of RPi is it compatible with?
2. Can the cap power the RPi?

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Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: David Pitts on September 22, 2016, 10:37:14 PM
PI B+, Pi2, Pi3.

Yes it can power PI
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: CaptainMurdoch on September 23, 2016, 09:03:11 PM
PI B+, Pi2, Pi3.

And Zero I assume, due to the mounting hole positions in the board.  The Zero supports the WS281x outputs as well so it should work fine with this board.
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: blk69 on September 26, 2016, 09:56:36 AM
First step into pixel control is the Pi cap I have on order.  Just bought a Ras pi 3 B.  Will be installing FFP.  Are their any user manuals available for the Pi Cap?  What other documentation should I download to assist with setting this unit up and understanding Falcon controllers?  Will be using Xlights for sequence.

Any help greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: pixelpuppy on September 26, 2016, 10:03:21 AM
First step into pixel control is the Pi cap I have on order.  Just bought a Ras pi 3 B.  Will be installing FFP.  Are their any user manuals available for the Pi Cap?  What other documentation should I download to assist with setting this unit up and understanding Falcon controllers?  Will be using Xlights for sequence.
All control of the PiCap is done in the FPP.  So first thing is to get familiar with FPP.   If you are just starting out then you will probably want to start with FPP in bridge mode and drive the pixels with xLights outputting E1.31 to FPP in bridge mode.


Later on you can explore the glorious wonders of using FPP as a show player in either "standalone" or "master/remote" modes  :D
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: hearbear on September 28, 2016, 03:56:05 AM
Hello all ready interested in the pi hat I was wondering would you ship to the UK if so what cost for the shipping?
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: David Pitts on September 28, 2016, 04:33:19 AM
Sorry I only ship to US. But you could use Shipito.com and have them forward it to your for a couple bucks + normal shipping.
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: blk69 on October 07, 2016, 07:56:02 PM
Do we have a ship date on the pi caps?
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: David Pitts on October 07, 2016, 08:10:21 PM
It will be in about two weeks. All China went on holiday for last week.

Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: blk69 on October 08, 2016, 04:30:51 PM
Ok great.  Glad it wasn't a two week Holiday.  Have some sequences to make!
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: Setarcos on October 11, 2016, 02:36:04 PM
I'm happy to get my hands on at least one of these as well. One PiCap is destined for our indoor Christmas tree that I am planning to convert to pixels this year and sync with the show outside ;)
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: hotrod1965 on October 22, 2016, 10:41:42 AM
Any update?
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: kmc123 on October 22, 2016, 12:22:32 PM
Hi David,

I see on the order page that it says "Can control two strings 800+ WS2811 pixels with fused and buffered outputs."

I want to do a Mega Tree with 1800 pixels (24 strands of 75 pixels each) and would split that into 2 sets of 900.

When you say 800+, How much is the plus? :)  Can I drive 900 per output?

Thanks!

Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: CaptainMurdoch on October 22, 2016, 04:34:53 PM
There is a thread where someone was testing the max number of pixels they could drive from the Pi.  I don't remember what the title was.  I you search for "rpiws281x" you will probably find it.  I think he was able to get around 1000 but your mileage may vary, that is why David set the number lower in his description.  If the Pi is doing a lot of other stuff, the number could be lower.
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: kmc123 on October 23, 2016, 10:06:18 AM
Thank You!
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: CaptainMurdoch on October 23, 2016, 01:30:47 PM
I still can't find the thread, but in the FPP UI, we limit the max # of pixels per string in the RPIWS281x Channel Output to 1000 since I believe there were issues experienced in testing with 1050-1100 pixels on an output.
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: glock9mmowner on October 25, 2016, 06:31:44 AM
It will be in about two weeks. All China went on holiday for last week.


Curious if we are any closer to a ship date? 
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: oklahomagreybeard on November 01, 2016, 08:54:34 PM
I'm thinking about using this as a starting point to get into pixels.

Will it run 5v or 12v pixels?

I currently use a Pi with ssr to control standard light strands. I control it all using FPP for playback and was reading that you can control pixels using the rpi_ws281x library but you can't use the onboard audio at the same time. With this hat can I control the pixels while using the onboard audio?

As stated above, is there an updated ship date for them?
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: David Pitts on November 01, 2016, 08:56:02 PM
Shipping next week.
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: algerdes on November 02, 2016, 09:58:53 AM
Shipping next week.


WooHoo!  You just made my day!


I need this to run the front gate at the park. The DMX output in particular!!!!


THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: twooly on November 02, 2016, 03:00:31 PM
Shipping next week.


WooHoo!  You just made my day!


I need this to run the front gate at the park. The DMX output in particular!!!!


THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!


I've got a BBB/F4-B I'd give up that can do that if you want something now.
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: algerdes on November 02, 2016, 11:48:59 PM
Thanks, but I have my original setup already to go out.  (Can we say, "Dongles"?)
The new hat will get swapped out when it arrives.


Most generous offer though. Thank you.
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: oklahomagreybeard on November 03, 2016, 06:15:51 AM
Is there any info available on how to configure this in fpp? I'd just like to jump ahead until mine gets here.

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Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: Santa on November 06, 2016, 11:19:05 AM
Just placed my order this AM, very excited about the possibilities!


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Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: jrhubott on November 06, 2016, 09:08:25 PM
Just placed my order this AM, very excited about the possibilities!


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Do we know when this and the F16V2 will ship?  I need to get started on my display and just waiting for the last couple of pieces.


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Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: David Pitts on November 06, 2016, 10:53:56 PM
This week they will ship. I expect to get all orders out by Sunday.
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: Santa on November 07, 2016, 05:13:11 AM
Do you think we'll get a top-level forum for PiCap (like FPP and BBB have) or should we keep commenting here in the group buy thread?
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: David Pitts on November 07, 2016, 05:57:58 AM
Great Idea. Board created.
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: Pfad on November 10, 2016, 08:23:16 PM
doing my happy dance...thank you
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: ChristmasBug on November 13, 2016, 07:42:38 PM
Love to have a couple  of these if you have any extras.
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: Santa on November 22, 2016, 08:02:47 AM
I'm an idiot, ignore the following!


What the heck kind of connectors does this thing use? Where can I buy them? I would have happily paid a few more bucks to have this board ready to use out of the box, either with connectors included or screw-set terminals. :-/  Guess I'll play with it after Christmas.
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: JonB256 on November 22, 2016, 08:12:06 AM
What the heck kind of connectors does this thing use? Where can I buy them? I would have happily paid a few more bucks to have this board ready to use out of the box, either with connectors included or screw-set terminals. :-/  Guess I'll play with it after Christmas.

My PiCap came with every connector. They were in a separate bag for shipping safety.
Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: Santa on November 22, 2016, 08:17:30 AM
You're right! I'm an idiot, I missed the second baggie and threw the shipping box into our box-pile without a second thought. Just fished it out and found all the little goodies! Thanks so much, everyone!

Title: Re: Taking orders for Falcon PiCap.
Post by: gilv58 on January 21, 2017, 10:23:43 AM
First step into pixel control is the Pi cap I have on order.  Just bought a Ras pi 3 B.  Will be installing FFP.  Are their any user manuals available for the Pi Cap?  What other documentation should I download to assist with setting this unit up and understanding Falcon controllers?  Will be using Xlights for sequence.
All control of the PiCap is done in the FPP.  So first thing is to get familiar with FPP.   If you are just starting out then you will probably want to start with FPP in bridge mode and drive the pixels with xLights outputting E1.31 to FPP in bridge mode.


Later on you can explore the glorious wonders of using FPP as a show player in either "standalone" or "master/remote" modes  :D

Pixel

Nub here as well.

So if I put the FPP in bridge mode I can "play" cxLights sequences directly ?

My RasPi 3 is set up wireless so xLightd can see that if the PC running it is in the same wireless network? 

Sorry if it seems I am high hacking the thread.

Gil V.


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