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Falcon Christmas => Falcon NEO (PI Matrix Board) => Topic started by: patdelaney on December 22, 2014, 09:16:43 AM

Title: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: patdelaney on December 22, 2014, 09:16:43 AM
I was building a Plexiglas from to mount my P10 boards to, (4 of them) the mounting screws I bought were apparently too long. When I attached the boards to the Plexiglas with the screws I didn't realize that the screws were pinching the pcb board of the P10. I powered up the boards and smoke started coming out of 3 of them. So I ruined 3 of the 4 boards. Luckily I had a 4 more as "spares".  So just be careful when you are attaching the boards.

I ot some smaller screws and now it's all good.

Pat

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Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: JonB256 on December 22, 2014, 09:51:20 AM
Pat, I was planning to use a sheet of plywood instead of plexiglass (since it would be dropped into a frame and out of site).

Would you recommend plexiglass for any specific reason over plywood?

(I was going to build a 3 by 3 matrix for my first test project)

JonB
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: patdelaney on December 23, 2014, 08:52:31 AM
I copied my design from one of the other users here, and I had the Plexiglas already. Plus my plan for this year was to hang the ding in the front window, so all you would see is the panels and not the support backing.

The Plexiglas made it easier to mount the boards.
I arranged the LED panels face down on the poker table and then put the Plexiglas over the top. I was then able to see all the mounting holes and the places where I needed to drill access holes for the 16pin connectors and power connectors. I used a sharpie to mark all the mounting hole locations and then drew ovals around the 16pin headers and a circle around the power connector.

I did have some Masonite that I could have used but the Plexiglas seemed easier.

My 2 cents use Plexiglas.

Pat
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: arw01 on December 23, 2014, 11:19:31 AM
So if you used nylon screws instead of metal (and what length did you end up using) would you have avoided the issue?  Any display issues with the wierd update protocol I heard they had, so you get full colors as you expect them, etc?  Any lag issues?

I like the resolution of those a whole lot more than the 10x51 I built from the Holiday Coro panels, I need to double my vertical resolution this year on that by drilling another 510 holes!
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: patdelaney on December 23, 2014, 11:48:14 AM
These were the ones that were too long:
M3-0.5 x 16mm (5/8") Metric Button Head Socket Cap Screws Type A2 Stainless, Coarse, 100/PKG

I used what look to be 8mm length, but if I could find 10mm I would use them.

If I had nylon screws I would have used them, so yes that probably would have  avoided the issues.

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Any display issues with the wierd update protocol I heard they had, so you get full colors as you expect them, etc?
I'm not sure what you mean, but I think the panels look great.

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Any lag issues?
Not that I can see

Pat
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: tomwb301 on December 23, 2014, 03:36:28 PM
Just received my 30 P10 panels today. All of the mounting screws came with the panels. Didn't see that in the BOM, but was happy to get them.
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: patdelaney on December 23, 2014, 04:38:18 PM
who did you get them from?  Can you send the link?
  :-)

Pat
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: JonB256 on December 23, 2014, 04:39:19 PM
I looked at my panels today. The bare end of the screw, if it makes hard contact with the back of the pixel board, will actually break through the black, insulating layer into a printed circuit board. A plastic one could still do some damage if it was too long, though it might not be a "magic smoke" event. Best bet would be shorter screws if you use thin plexiglass or plywood.

And as far as plexiglass goes, I may do the first one in plexiglass, then use it as a template for future plywood boards (of the same layout).
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: tomwb301 on December 23, 2014, 05:38:04 PM
Pat,

Here is the link where I got the P10 panels.

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/P10-Indoor-Full-Color-Advertising-media-LED-Display-Module/1461949772.html
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: neilric99 on December 23, 2014, 07:29:52 PM
I just had 12 panels delivered today from that store and they came with panel mounting screws, power and 16 pin ribbon cables as well as some spare leds and IC's

What are is everyone doing to encase these panels after you have connected then together into matrix so that they can be used outdoors?


 
Pat,

Here is the link where I got the P10 panels.

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/P10-Indoor-Full-Color-Advertising-media-LED-Display-Module/1461949772.html
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: JonB256 on December 23, 2014, 08:08:29 PM

What are is everyone doing to encase these panels after you have connected then together into matrix so that they can be used outdoors?


My current plan is to make a wooden case. Around the inside, I'll use a router or table saw to make 3 slots down all 4 sides. One slot for a clear front panel, one for the board with the P10s, the NEO and the power supply attached and one slot for the back panel. The seal the front and back around the edge with silicone caulk. The top will not be sealed but would have a lip to keep out rain.
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: Steve Gase on December 23, 2014, 10:19:05 PM
I'm thinking of creating a plexiglass box with a sheet of metal as backing... reclaimed from a filing cabinet.

The panels come with magnetic posts that do a good job of holding them in place with the metal.
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: Livermore-Dad on December 23, 2014, 10:25:47 PM
I'm thinking of creating a plexiglass box with a sheet of metal as backing... reclaimed from a filing cabinet.

The panels come with magnetic posts that do a good job of holding them in place with the metal.

Was going to say my shipment came with magnetic screws. I will need some help/advice in creating an enclosure for these. Otherwise it may be a trip to TAP plastic and see if they can assist :)

Tory

Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: neilric99 on December 24, 2014, 01:49:53 PM
I was thinking about using a backboard with metal strips attached to attach the magnetic heads to.

I think I am going to use the 12  x p10 board that I have in a straight line, and basically create 2 6ft long boxes and join them when installing. a 384*16 matrix will be good to replace my current 84*8 on 2" centers using pixels matrix.
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: JonB256 on December 31, 2014, 03:07:15 PM
Ouch!  Went to Lowes to buy some Plexiglas or Lexan.

For my 3x3 P10, I need a 40inch by 20inch piece.  The 48inch by 24inch size was $25.00.

Cheaper source?????

http://www.eplastics.com/Lexan_Clear_Polycarbonate_Sheet

any others?
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: JonB256 on January 03, 2015, 01:30:18 PM
Neither Lowes or Home Depot had any mounting screws (

M3 x 0.5 (not in any length).

The first one I looked at on www.fastenal.com  was 8mm long and about $0.05 each.
I usually order extras, so for 100 of them ($5.04), the shipping was listed as $8.49

I hate shipping costs.

But, as I poked around, they had a "clearance item" that was 10mm long (still a good length) for only $0.01  (one penny)
So, I plugged in 1000 as a quantity.  Cost was now $10.00. Shipping was now $9.10
My kind of deal!!!   SKU is:  QM2510010A40000

So, if you need some screws for P10 panels (and Fastenal is out of stock), you can blame me.

Once I verify that these work and I get them mounted, I just might have some to share.
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: gadgetsmith on February 03, 2015, 10:28:23 AM
Wow Pat, I didn't realize you had ruined panels with the screws. Sorry to hear that.

I had to search around a bit for screws, but Lowe's and Home Depot are the worst for little tiny screws.  Better off going to an Ace, Aubuchon, True-Value, type of local hardware store to find the little screws, especially metric stuff.

I wanted to use UV polycarbonate (lexan) for the front of the sign, but to get the width I required, I had to buy a big piece. (way more that it should be from Lowes)  This gave me just enough to also use it for mounting the panels... and as Pat pointed out, locating the mounting holes is easy on plexi/poly.  I also had a sheet of 1/8" MDF I was going to use, and it wouldn't have been too much trouble to measure out the holes.

Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: patdelaney on March 14, 2015, 09:33:49 AM
Wow Pat, I didn't realize you had ruined panels with the screws. Sorry to hear that.

I had to search around a bit for screws, but Lowe's and Home Depot are the worst for little tiny screws.  Better off going to an Ace, Aubuchon, True-Value, type of local hardware store to find the little screws, especially metric stuff.

I wanted to use UV polycarbonate (lexan) for the front of the sign, but to get the width I required, I had to buy a big piece. (way more that it should be from Lowes)  This gave me just enough to also use it for mounting the panels... and as Pat pointed out, locating the mounting holes is easy on plexi/poly.  I also had a sheet of 1/8" MDF I was going to use, and it wouldn't have been too much trouble to measure out the holes.

The good news is I can still use them for testing, even though some are missing an entire row of pixels and on other boards there are just some pixels that are dimmer. The better news is that I just ordered 20 more panels for testing and I hope to have them in the next 2 weeks.

Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: neilric99 on March 14, 2015, 08:17:18 PM
for my front panel in Lexan I need a 101"x20" and that unfortunately is just over an standard size 8ft*4ft sheet . I found that international plastics will cut me one to size for $106 + shipping, ouch
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: drlucas on May 16, 2015, 07:36:10 PM
Has anyone had any other luck with mounting options? I was thinking of using metal braces between the panels, but have had NO luck with that...very frustrating actually. Even though it's like 8 holes, I still struggle. Maybe I need to invest in a drill press with a laser guide and things will be better. I can't get holes to line up. the plexiglass option may be what I end up with if I can't get something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX4pUo3HVvw to work this weekend...

 
The Plexiglas made it easier to mount the boards.
I arranged the LED panels face down on the poker table and then put the Plexiglas over the top. I was then able to see all the mounting holes and the places where I needed to drill access holes for the 16pin connectors and power connectors. I used a sharpie to mark all the mounting hole locations and then drew ovals around the 16pin headers and a circle around the power connector.
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: JerryPlak on May 16, 2015, 08:32:09 PM
For my four P-10 panel test rig, I used the Nickel Standard Hanging Track Bracket that I picked up from Home Depot
http://www.homedepot.com/p/ClosetMaid-ShelfTrack-60-in-Nickel-Standard-Hanging-Track-Bracket-32808/100672009

On the panels I used that magnetic standoffs that came with the panels, this holds the panels very well to the track.
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: drlucas on May 17, 2015, 05:39:36 AM
Thanks Jerry! 

I'm going to inventory how many magnets I have and see what I can make work. I like the idea you've come up with.

Cheers!
Ryan
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: JonB256 on May 17, 2015, 06:02:03 AM
The original entry was about "smoked boards"

If you take a smoked board and remove all the pixels down to the frame, you now have a perfect template for marking and drilling.
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: drlucas on May 17, 2015, 04:44:24 PM
   Great point. Let's hope I don't have any smoked. (http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/17/6ce03c34cea39c0fe6f2758ce5b32390.jpg)

Here is my progress so far today.


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Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: patdelaney on May 18, 2015, 05:50:00 AM
For my four P-10 panel test rig, I used the Nickel Standard Hanging Track Bracket that I picked up from Home Depot
http://www.homedepot.com/p/ClosetMaid-ShelfTrack-60-in-Nickel-Standard-Hanging-Track-Bracket-32808/100672009

On the panels I used that magnetic standoffs that came with the panels, this holds the panels very well to the track.

Great Idea!
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: JonB256 on May 19, 2015, 01:28:19 PM
I used my own tip today. Actually remembered to take pictures.
What I did was remove the 32 tiny screws holding the covers on the P10 panel. They are for protection and light direction, plus those 32 screws hold everything together. (Note: I've found many P10 panels where several of those screws are not fully seated). Removing the screws and cover has not damaged the P10 in any way, though the circuit board is now more susceptible to damage.

I used very thin (3 ply) plywood. It is primed but not outdoor rated. I drew a 1 inch border on the top and left, then started in the top left corner.
Note that I drilled 4 holes (1 1/2 inch) to allow access to both Hub75 jacks and the power supply. Because the power connector is off-center, I drilled 2 holes in case I ever changed the orientation.

First hole was with a tiny drill to mark the plywood but not damage the threads in the P10 frame. Then I drilled larger holes (3/16") for the screws. I used very small, thin washers with the screws.

Assembly didn't take forever, but very repetitive. I would mount one panel, then use the template to mark the next, then drill and mount, then mark an drill. A lot of drill bit changes. Would go a LOT faster with 2 people and more than one drill.

I went to this trouble because my previous attempts did not give me the gap-less precision that I wanted. You literally can't find the seams between panels now. (at least from more than 2ft away). It is as perfectly aligned as I can get it. I know that using magnets would allow you to the same, but a good "bump" or drop will move them all. These are FIXED and actually strengthened the plywood. And I only used 4 of 6 screws. All 6 would be even stronger.

I put all the pictures in a Google Drive located here:
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B3iI74ULigJibU9nNzZJcnBHdDA&usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B3iI74ULigJibU9nNzZJcnBHdDA&usp=sharing)
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: JonB256 on May 19, 2015, 01:44:31 PM
And, if you get a "bad" pixel on one of these boards, they are repairable.
In one of my pictures (added below), you can see that the little RGB pixels are surface mount soldered. They should be pretty easy to remove and replace. In my package from Ray Wu, he actually included about 12 replacement pixels on a strip. Note that they are polarity marked.

Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: drlucas on May 19, 2015, 07:41:14 PM
I used my own tip today. Actually remembered to take pictures.
What I did was remove the 32 tiny screws holding the covers on the P10 panel. They are for protection and light direction, plus those 32 screws hold everything together. (Note: I've found many P10 panels where several of those screws are not fully seated). Removing the screws and cover has not damaged the P10 in any way, though the circuit board is now more susceptible to damage.

I used very thin (3 ply) plywood. It is primed but not outdoor rated. I drew a 1 inch border on the top and left, then started in the top left corner.
Note that I drilled 4 holes (1 1/2 inch) to allow access to both Hub75 jacks and the power supply. Because the power connector is off-center, I drilled 2 holes in case I ever changed the orientation.

First hole was with a tiny drill to mark the plywood but not damage the threads in the P10 frame. Then I drilled larger holes (3/16") for the screws. I used very small, thin washers with the screws.

Assembly didn't take forever, but very repetitive. I would mount one panel, then use the template to mark the next, then drill and mount, then mark an drill. A lot of drill bit changes. Would go a LOT faster with 2 people and more than one drill.

I went to this trouble because my previous attempts did not give me the gap-less precision that I wanted. You literally can't find the seams between panels now. (at least from more than 2ft away). It is as perfectly aligned as I can get it. I know that using magnets would allow you to the same, but a good "bump" or drop will move them all. These are FIXED and actually strengthened the plywood. And I only used 4 of 6 screws. All 6 would be even stronger.

I put all the pictures in a Google Drive located here:
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B3iI74ULigJibU9nNzZJcnBHdDA&usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B3iI74ULigJibU9nNzZJcnBHdDA&usp=sharing)

thank you for this - it's a good approach. I'll post the other two pics I took last night. NOT happy with my outcome.
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: drlucas on May 19, 2015, 07:42:48 PM
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/19/214fbea2396e3f7df4f45f177b8549f3.jpg)

(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/19/31cd0877db5aae016b76c4f7be8f3144.jpg)


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Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: rattataz on May 20, 2015, 06:22:18 AM
drLucas were you planning on running all 20 panels from 1 power supply?
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: JonB256 on May 20, 2015, 06:31:07 AM
I am using a single 40amp 5vdc for my 9 panel job.

Judging by his wires, it looks like at least 2 supplies.
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: darylc on May 20, 2015, 04:30:08 PM
Over here, AussiePhil has been prototyping 3d printed brackets to join the panels together.  I'm impressed with the results, I assembled 6 of my panels as a test with them and the alignment is fantastic.
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: drlucas on May 20, 2015, 04:53:59 PM
I have two power supplies that I picked up from Ray...if I can get away with one it would be great, but likely going to need both....haven't tested yet to see what it looks like.

5V/350W rain proof switch mode Power Supply;AC120V or AC230V input;DC5V output
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: Blickensderfer on May 20, 2015, 07:21:12 PM
Here is a preview of my 4x4 p10 jumbotron.  I used lexan to attach 4 panels to each other on the corners and steel uprights to attach the centers of the panels to the enclosure.  It has 2 - 20amp power supplies.  The front is covered with 1/4" plexiglass.
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: baelinc on May 20, 2015, 08:34:33 PM
What is your enclosure made out of?
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: Blickensderfer on May 20, 2015, 08:44:35 PM
3/16" stainless steel then I had it powercoated black. My cousin works at a metal fab shop and had it whipped out in a few hours.
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: Blickensderfer on May 20, 2015, 09:00:39 PM
It's actually 1/8" thickness  not 3/16"  Here are a couple other pics
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: drlucas on May 21, 2015, 04:11:43 AM
3/16" stainless steel then I had it powercoated black. My cousin works at a metal fab shop and had it whipped out in a few hours.

Handles and everything! Impressive.
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: JonB256 on May 21, 2015, 04:36:43 AM
Blickensderfer, do you have any ventilation in your case?
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: Blickensderfer on May 21, 2015, 06:40:27 AM
No.  The enclosure has 7.7 cubic feet of airspace.  During testing with full white for 20 minutes the temp felt pretty good.  I didn't get a reading but by touch inside was luke warm.  I do have some 1" vent caps if I need to put them in. 

Dan
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: AussiePhil on May 21, 2015, 06:03:45 PM
Dan, I'm impressed by the cabinet.

you got the same physical panels I got, Ray actually has two different plastic frames available both at $11 :)

Cheers
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: Blickensderfer on May 21, 2015, 07:00:14 PM
I was impressed with my cousin's metal work.  It exceeded my expectations.  It doesn't weigh too bad.  I can man handle it myself but no means lifting it above my head to where it's going to be during my show.  It's going to be mounted on the front porch gable.  Our house is brick and there is a 1/2" steel plate that arches and the brick sits on it.  I'm going to weld 2" nipples on the steel plate and build an upside down T bracket that will slide in the nipple and the enclosure will sit on it the base of the T will slide up in the cups on the enclosure to keep it from tipping over.  If you look close on the current pics you will see the 1 1/2" white PVC pipe that is made.  It will be the same thing but steel.
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: drlucas on May 23, 2015, 05:43:25 AM
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/23/3f968f7de0a6822a53f78eee8a22c860.jpg)

I tore down the old panel last night and started to build the same way Jon described. This is a much better approach and with the new layout I should easily get 24 panels on this board vs the 20 I had laid out before. Right now I have a 1" diameter bit and haven't drilled any of the holes out yet. Also the Allen head m3 screws I'm using for mounting I may end up putting a washer on the back of the board.

The challenge after this will be trying to find a post for the power and making sure the wiring is all nice and clean. With the two power supplies and mounting the BBB I want everything nice and clean.




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Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: JonB256 on May 23, 2015, 07:19:53 AM
seamless !!   What thickness plywood did you use?  It looks a lot heavier than mine. (3mm 3-ply)

I drilled my round holes by marking a horizontal line down the middle of the P10. Then "guess" marked four dots for the hole saw.

I did not want to have to remove them all to drill.

Washers are a good idea if your screws still give you good thread engagement.
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: drlucas on May 23, 2015, 11:33:24 AM
1/4" is what I had laying around so I am working with that for now.

I've paid no attention to orientation as I put the panels on so I definitely have to take them all off again. I have 12 of the 24 on now. Tedious work. 

Also have to figure out if these panels will make part of a huge wreath or a Santa sleigh or just sit in the window on inside of house or if I water proof it and keep it outside.

One thing at a time. Just want to get the 24 panels lined up on a board and see if I get a hello world going on it.


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Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: drlucas on May 23, 2015, 03:52:42 PM
Ok.  All 24 panels now on.


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Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: drlucas on May 23, 2015, 03:53:17 PM
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/23/70a9e0c80b3dfb83f3208e66d7dd2603.jpg)

Now to take them off to make access holes and finalize the mounting.


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Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: drlucas on May 23, 2015, 06:34:29 PM
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/23/13fed7323a508d6dd38e1dd0152aaaff.jpg)

Found a little issue....the power and joining cables don't line up!

So I will need to cut and see if I can get it to line up. Tomorrow afternoons job


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Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: JonB256 on May 23, 2015, 09:09:22 PM
Sawdust on the floor means you've done good.
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: drlucas on May 24, 2015, 03:37:25 AM
I just don't know how i'm going to explain all those cup holders that I built into the back step to the missus.....

  ;D
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: drlucas on May 24, 2015, 07:59:26 AM
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/24/7d21ccdcf6b46d7fac01aed41bcc78d4.jpg)

Ok. Have a row back on after cutting the holes. Now off to do something with the dog and family for a hours and maybe get it back together late this afternoon


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Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: JerryPlak on May 24, 2015, 10:11:34 AM
:-D no one will see from the front side went you are done ;-)

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Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: drlucas on May 24, 2015, 02:19:52 PM
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/24/2f8e9af330b18a39fa11b2e24b79d81c.jpg)

Getting there...


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Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: JerryPlak on May 24, 2015, 02:29:58 PM
Looking good !
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: drlucas on May 24, 2015, 03:57:43 PM
Ok.  A couple of cross braces added and sorted out the power distribution.

Of course this ray wu 70a power supply is sooooo confusing.  I get the LN and gnd power input but the wire is blue yellow and red. Which colour is what?(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/24/2d1e11af8cf6317dc09a1de913d969b2.jpg)


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Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: arw01 on May 24, 2015, 05:50:23 PM
I would not trust those chinese workers to even get the right wires on the right solder spots.  I took my cover off and looked at the circuit board. I suggest you do the same and write it on the outside in sharpee because you won't remember later!

Alan
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: drlucas on May 24, 2015, 06:31:27 PM
Good advice. (http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/24/0ff515c1d17049b56b01778f14025f15.jpg)

Now I won't forget it (:


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Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: drlucas on May 24, 2015, 07:12:59 PM
Last pictures of the night.

Have the PSUs wired up to the 24 panels. Will have to go and source a couple of power cables tomorrow. I can't seem to find any spare ones around the basement. Damn spring cleaning (:

(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/24/355af0ef97883fb6905a839109010bb1.jpg)

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Title: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: drlucas on May 25, 2015, 06:49:20 PM
Well something isn't quite right. I hope it's just how I have the octo setup


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Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: drlucas on May 25, 2015, 07:03:04 PM
A bit better...but not 100% yet



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Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: drlucas on May 25, 2015, 07:08:11 PM
https://vimeo.com/128831842 (https://vimeo.com/128831842)


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Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: drlucas on May 25, 2015, 07:08:36 PM
.....ok replaced the bad cable and am looking good with simple test!!


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Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: drlucas on May 25, 2015, 07:10:49 PM
https://vimeo.com/128832098 (https://vimeo.com/128832098)


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Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: JerryPlak on May 25, 2015, 07:11:50 PM
:-D
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: drlucas on May 25, 2015, 07:25:33 PM
Ok. Something isn't quite right with the setup.   I have o4, o3 and O2 in use and 8 panels per port.

I'll test over hard wire vs wireless. But something is off.


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Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: JonB256 on May 25, 2015, 07:37:16 PM
Any particular reason to skip Output #1 ?
And could you confirm, using the camera angle as a reference, where is O2 connecting?

on my 3x3 panel, I did use O1 and I started on Top Left per the camera view.
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: drlucas on May 25, 2015, 07:37:19 PM
https://vimeo.com/128832823 (https://vimeo.com/128832823)


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Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: drlucas on May 26, 2015, 04:51:46 AM
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Any particular reason to skip Output #1 ?
And could you confirm, using the camera angle as a reference, where is O2 connecting?

on my 3x3 panel, I did use O1 and I started on Top Left per the camera view.

Here is a picture of one of my BBBs and Octoscroller. O1=JP1 on the board, O2 = JP2 on the board, etc. I used jp2,3,4 as o2,3,4 because when all my headers were soldered on the other board, and I was upside down looking over my panel I just plugged in my panels to the closest spot so my top 2 rows went to jp4, my middle 2 rows went to jp3 and my bottom two rows of the panel went to jp2.

I'm a bit confused on the arrows and what way they are supposed to go....my top 4 panels start at the octoscroller and flow --> to the panel 1 --> panel 2 --> panel 3 --> panel 4, then my next row the panels go the other way across such that really panel --4> panel 5 --> panel 6 --> panel 7 --> panel 8 all continue on a straight line. You can maybe see that if you look close enough on one of the other pics (in reply 52 shows it pretty good).

(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/26/1d87b62a817c7f630c7903e1fc4117a7.jpg)
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: gadgetsmith on May 26, 2015, 06:13:10 AM
... so my top 2 rows went to jp4, my middle 2 rows went to jp3 and my bottom two rows of the panel went to jp2.

I'm a bit confused on the arrows and what way they are supposed to go....my top 4 panels start at the octoscroller and flow --> to the panel 1 --> panel 2 --> panel 3 --> panel 4, then my next row the panels go the other way across such that really panel --4> panel 5 --> panel 6 --> panel 7 --> panel 8 all continue on a straight line. You can maybe see that if you look close enough on one of the other pics (in reply 52 shows it pretty good).


The arrows in the setup are to indicate if the panel is pointed up or down.  Simply match arrow direction with the up or down on the panel and your good.  In your setup rows 1,3,5 are up, and 2,4,6 are down.

Based on your pictures and information above, your setup should look like this.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4ydsbdcyh1u8uar/Screenshot%202015-05-26%2008.09.05.png?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/4ydsbdcyh1u8uar/Screenshot%202015-05-26%2008.09.05.png?dl=0)

Your Xlights horz matrix model should start in the Top Left.
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: drlucas on May 26, 2015, 06:48:18 AM
thanks for the image on Dropbox. Quite helpful. Made me realize I was I thinking 8x3 for some reason instead of 6x4. My matrix is clearly 6x4 but I was getting tripped up that I couldn't have 8x3 if I'm just using three outputs. I'll give this another whirl tonight and post up some new videos if I'm successful.

Also noticed the refresh is a bit off and there is some flickering. I'll go hard wired vs wifi and see if that makes a difference as well we make sure I am not doing any debugging activity.

Much appreciated!!




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Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: drlucas on May 26, 2015, 08:47:05 PM
https://vimeo.com/128950335 (https://vimeo.com/128950335)


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Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: drlucas on May 26, 2015, 08:53:17 PM
I have the configuration working now...

p4, p3, p2, p1 (up)
p5, p6, p7, p8 (down)

Thanks for that help/hint!!

Now from the video above, there is a lot of glitching going on. Any idea what might be causing that? Anyone else notice anything similar? Running what I think is the latest version: v0.3.0-727-g2106a2b.

When xlights is paused on the output nothing is glitching. so it's a really strange one.

I created a new topic to troubleshoot this item....figured it was wise because I don't have any smoked boards because of the forewarning of how deep to put in my mounting screws!!

Thanks to all so far on getting this matrix up and running.

http://falconchristmas.com/forum/index.php/topic,2481.0.html
Title: Re: Smoked 3 P10 boards
Post by: gadgetsmith on May 27, 2015, 04:40:12 AM
Looks good, except for that noise or whatever it is.