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Falcon Christmas => Falcon NEO (PI Matrix Board) => Topic started by: Frankr on July 21, 2015, 03:22:31 PM

Title: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: Frankr on July 21, 2015, 03:22:31 PM
Hello all,

Selling two houses and moving and trying to figure out how to put the 16 panels I bought last year into a matrix. I am not seeing much more than the hand built wood with lexan covers. Anyone found anything online that might be quick and easy?

I found these:
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/group/7-Cabinets-Frames-Wires-Accessories/737983_260901153.html

but I am not sure if anyone else has tried these or had any success with other similar options.

So anyone want to share some pics of how they have assembled their matrices?

Thank you,

Frank
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: Gerry on July 21, 2015, 04:21:21 PM
Hi,
Hi,

Please see reply 17 on the post below where I had some pictures. I used a plywood backing , but as I said if I had to do it again , I would use plastic or Perspex so that I could then see where the holes are required to be mde exactly.

With 16 panels , you may wish to consider two separate supports

http://auschristmaslighting.com/forums/index.php?topic=7619.15


Also on that forum , there are a number of posts where people have supplied 3D templates to make brackets to screw the panels together (ie folks are printing their own 'brackets' at home). As it appears that there are different panels being supplied from different vendors with different screw hole positions , you need to be sure which one matches yours.
 
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: JonB256 on July 21, 2015, 06:03:02 PM
I definitely used plywood (3mm thick), but others have used a grid of Steel cross pieces and the magnets (tomwb301).

There are several styles of P10 panels and several sizes, so the 3D printed brackets are possible but very custom.

To get my mounting holes "perfect" I used the bare frame of a P10 panel and Mounted each one at a time, using the frame as a drill template. I didn't mark and drill, I actually drilled through the threaded holes of the frame (didn't damage the threads). You can get to the frame by removing all those tiny tiny tiny screws.

Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: Frankr on July 21, 2015, 06:28:03 PM
Thanks Everyone!

Here is a really helpful thread that I found close by:
http://falconchristmas.com/forum/index.php/topic,2034.0.html

How knew that smoking some panels was the term to search for  :o

Frank
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: AussiePhil on July 21, 2015, 06:44:30 PM

There are several styles of P10 panels and several sizes, so the 3D printed brackets are possible but very custom.


Across both styles that Ray Wu carries the holes spacing and positions are EXACTLY the same and the 3D print bracket designs now fit both styles.
these make a very clean and structured array
this photo has a slightly older version of the 3D design
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28032744/forumthreads/P6060067.jpg)

This one shows the back of a 2x4 array
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28032744/forumthreads/PM286787.jpg)

And the front
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28032744/forumthreads/PM286783.jpg)

Using lightweight outdoor rated pine makes this frame design reasonable light weight and easy to handle.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28032744/forumthreads/PM286790.jpg)
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: Voltorb on July 21, 2015, 06:48:00 PM
I'm using brackets I printed with my 3D printer.  Design from AussiePhil. 

(https://photos-4.dropbox.com/t/2/AABu0rX2gTTy_mPZyGWK3kAQP1-_CL5jWhpdIQRXx_rJcg/12/320895795/jpeg/32x32/1/_/1/2/30P10PanelsBack.jpg/ENW-w70CGJkWIAEgAigB/pCt16T0QxKFoA8l0KOC3haMBkHLO3ovPAQcKriPlDPY?size=1280x960&size_mode=2)
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: Frankr on July 22, 2015, 06:11:15 PM
So anyone with a 3D printer want to sell some of these brackets?

Frank
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: AussiePhil on July 23, 2015, 06:19:02 AM
Hi Frank

You need someone in the US to print them up for you... the STL files can be found in the thread on ACL
http://auschristmaslighting.com/forums/index.php?topic=7532.0

Cheers and good luck

Phil
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: Voltorb on July 23, 2015, 08:29:09 AM
How many panels do you have, and in what configuration?  Did you purchase them from Ray?
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: Frankr on July 23, 2015, 09:26:56 AM
I have 16 panels that I want to mount in a 4x4 matrix. These were not purchased through Ray. I will see if I can check the measurements in the STL file to see if they are the same.

Frank
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: Voltorb on July 23, 2015, 09:41:36 AM
I've seen panels that had the correct measurements, but were missing the threaded inserts.
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: CaptainMurdoch on July 23, 2015, 09:58:34 AM
I've seen panels that had the correct measurements, but were missing the threaded inserts.

This is the way mine are.  I believe these were bought last year during the Nov 11th sale.
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: Voltorb on July 23, 2015, 10:49:15 AM
Frank, can you post a picture of the back of your panel?
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: Frankr on July 23, 2015, 12:14:10 PM
My bet is I have the ones Chris is referring to. The threaded inserts are only in the middle holes not on the outside ones.

I won't be back at the house to snap a photo till Monday but I am getting the impression that I may need to look at rolling my own solution for these.

Thanks for all the help everyone!

Frank
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: Voltorb on July 23, 2015, 06:01:32 PM
Let me know.  I'm sure we can figure something out.
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: Frankr on July 27, 2015, 05:45:31 PM
Here are a couple of photos of how my panels look. as you can see only the center hole on the long side is populated with threads.  I am thinking that my best bet might be to connect them at the short sides with strips of plexi glass and then attach that to a wood frame like Phil's post. not as elegant and clean but seems like a workable solution.

Frank
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: MyKroFt on July 27, 2015, 06:14:17 PM
Has anyone asked their supplier if they can get the threaded inserts that are missing?

Myk
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: mello_roberto on July 27, 2015, 09:01:54 PM

There are several styles of P10 panels and several sizes, so the 3D printed brackets are possible but very custom.


Across both styles that Ray Wu carries the holes spacing and positions are EXACTLY the same and the 3D print bracket designs now fit both styles.
these make a very clean and structured array
this photo has a slightly older version of the 3D design

This one shows the back of a 2x4 array

And the front

Using lightweight outdoor rated pine makes this frame design reasonable light weight and easy to handle.



What printer do you have? I am thinking about getting me one.
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: AussiePhil on July 27, 2015, 11:28:37 PM
Has anyone asked their supplier if they can get the threaded inserts that are missing?

Myk

Ditto - Ray Wu would have them I would expect.... a quick online search turned up all sorts of inserts available like http://au.rs-online.com/web/p/inserts/0278534/

Cheers
Phil
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: AussiePhil on July 27, 2015, 11:44:58 PM

What printer do you have? I am thinking about getting me one.

a FlashForge Creator Pro

Cheers
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: mello_roberto on July 27, 2015, 11:53:47 PM

What printer do you have? I am thinking about getting me one.

a FlashForge Creator Pro

Cheers

Sweet, this is the one I was looking for, I need to put on my wish list :-)

Thanks
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: Charles Belcher on July 28, 2015, 04:45:15 PM
I am going to mount (24) P10 panels under one eve.  The BBB/octoscroller will be in center between #12 and #13.  I will be using four outputs on the octoscroller; two in either direction.  So I will have four runs out of the octoscroller, each connecting to 6 panels,   Let's take one "string" of (6) panels as an example.  If I run a 16 pin cable from the octoscroller to panel #13, then jump from #13 to #15, then jump #15 to 17, then #17 to 19, then #19 to #21, then #21 to #23; how long do the jumps need to be?  The next "string" of jumps in that same direction will connect all of the even numbered panels; 14-24.

I don't have the panels yet to measure, but would like to start building the 16in cables.   I will be receiving the Ray Wu indoor panels.  I will not build the initial home run cable as I don't know yet where the BBB/octoscroller will be physically.

Thanks in advance,

Charles Belcher
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: AussiePhil on July 28, 2015, 05:09:44 PM
Hi Charles,

The Panels are exactly 320mm long, the connectors would be roughly 100mm in from the edge so 100+320+100 = 520mm gets you from P13->P15 for example.

I know this interleaving was suggested before however it likely just complicates what could be a simple cabling problem.

Six panels wide is 1920mm plus 200mm of slack gives a 2100mm run from bbb to the 7th panel away with normal inter panel connections after that.
Brad in Brisbane has tested 2000mm (2M/6ft) runs successfully so you may be better to wait till you panels arrive and test a simplified cabling scheme.

cheers
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: Charles Belcher on July 28, 2015, 05:47:25 PM
Hi Charles,

The Panels are exactly 320mm long, the connectors would be roughly 100mm in from the edge so 100+320+100 = 520mm gets you from P13->P15 for example.

I know this interleaving was suggested before however it likely just complicates what could be a simple cabling problem.

Six panels wide is 1920mm plus 200mm of slack gives a 2100mm run from bbb to the 7th panel away with normal inter panel connections after that.
Brad in Brisbane has tested 2000mm (2M/6ft) runs successfully so you may be better to wait till you panels arrive and test a simplified cabling scheme.

cheers

Simple is better.  I will wait.
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: drlucas on July 28, 2015, 06:34:43 PM
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/28/a386ca10ac8ed5f0a6d0ce3ff798fb68.jpg)

My 6 panel work in progress


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Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: Frankr on July 28, 2015, 06:57:29 PM
Now if only I could figure out where I put my power and data cables during the move  :o
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: CaptainMurdoch on July 28, 2015, 07:02:08 PM

My 6 panel work in progress

Are some of those panels rotated 90 degrees where some are vertical and some horizontal?

If so you will need to hand configure the channeloutputs.json file since the UI currently requires that all panels be oriented the same, either horizontal or vertical.
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: drlucas on July 28, 2015, 07:07:37 PM
Correct they are, and thanks for the heads up. I was going to get the BBB mounted last night, but I did another bone (pun not intended) head move. My BBB was mounted on the back of another board and I had the power brick a few feet away with little slack in the cord...needless to say I bent the barrel connector and now the BBB won't boot up (not even over usb)...so after I source another BBB i'll get to testing this again. I'm getting better with cable management and preventing these types of mistakes...just working in a garage in tight space at 100 degrees with humidity makes for some short temper situations...so I've walked away from the build for the rest of the week...




Are some of those panels rotated 90 degrees where some are vertical and some horizontal?

If so you will need to hand configure the channeloutputs.json file since the UI currently requires that all panels be oriented the same, either horizontal or vertical.
Title: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: CaptainMurdoch on July 28, 2015, 07:26:49 PM
Let me know when you are ready and I can post some instructions.  The config and backend code support any layout, even overlapping panels, but the current UI requires a rectangle layout with all panels oriented the same.  For FPP v2.0, I want to enhance the UI to allow custom layouts as well.
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: drlucas on July 29, 2015, 06:57:27 PM
I have one panel to swap out...when drilling a hole for the mounting of the BBB i damaged a p10 panel

(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/29/a24b551acbcc94b9570027b6392f3b35.jpg)

You can see what happens when you put a hole through a few pins on the p10 panel chip. Go figure I hit it!!

(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/29/1b2b54aa65d2d59718f85a658051880c.jpg)

Anyways I'll swap it tomorrow and will use the my spare BBB until I can find one in Toronto for less than $90!!!




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Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: CaptainMurdoch on July 29, 2015, 07:26:01 PM
If you can make a quick diagram of your panel layout then I can tell you how to setup the channeloutputs.json file.
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: drlucas on July 30, 2015, 04:39:01 AM
If you can make a quick diagram of your panel layout then I can tell you how to setup the channeloutputs.json file.

Does the attached make sense? Tried to show the orientation along with an actual picture.
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: CaptainMurdoch on July 30, 2015, 04:15:26 PM
Does the attached make sense? Tried to show the orientation along with an actual picture.

That looks OK and the picture confirms that when viewed from the front, the BBB connects to the top-right panel.

I will try to get a config with explanation posted tonight.
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: drlucas on July 30, 2015, 07:35:45 PM
Thanks. I swapped out my bad Board and brought my panel in the house so ready to test now (http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/30/fa138b2e31488533c5be25b24cb2bdad.jpg)

I have a long weekend coming up sat/sun/mon so looking forward to having this project wrapped up!


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Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: CaptainMurdoch on July 31, 2015, 09:39:46 AM
Does the attached make sense? Tried to show the orientation along with an actual picture.

Try this in your /home/fpp/media/config/channeloutputs.json file:

Code: [Select]
{
"channelOutputs": [
{
"type": "LEDPanelMatrix",
"subType": "LEDscapeMatrix",
"enabled": 1,
"startChannel": 1,
"channelCount": 9216,
"colorOrder": "RGB",
"invertedData": 0,
"panelWidth": 32,
"panelHeight": 16,
"panels": [
{
"outputNumber": 0,
"panelNumber": 0,
"xOffset": 48,
"yOffset": 0,
"orientation": "L",
"row": 0,
"col": 0
},
{
"outputNumber": 0,
"panelNumber": 1,
"xOffset": 32,
"yOffset": 0,
"orientation": "L",
"row": 0,
"col": 1
},
{
"outputNumber": 0,
"panelNumber": 2,
"xOffset": 16,
"yOffset": 0,
"orientation": "L",
"row": 0,
"col": 2
},
{
"outputNumber": 0,
"panelNumber": 3,
"xOffset": 0,
"yOffset": 0,
"orientation": "L",
"row": 0,
"col": 3
},
{
"outputNumber": 0,
"panelNumber": 4,
"xOffset": 0,
"yOffset": 32,
"orientation": "U",
"row": 0,
"col": 4
},
{
"outputNumber": 0,
"panelNumber": 5,
"xOffset": 32,
"yOffset": 32,
"orientation": "U",
"row": 0,
"col": 5
}
]
}
]
}

The fields are mainly self-explanatory. colorOrder and invertedData are not yet supported but will be when I commit my local changes.

In the list of panels, the output number and panel number are 0-7 values for the Octoscroller.  The x and y offsets for each panel are 0-based from the top left of the display.  Orientation is 'L' for left, 'R' for right, 'N' for normal and 'U' for upside down.  The row and col values are used for the current UI, they aren't used by the backend code.
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: drlucas on July 31, 2015, 04:09:00 PM
Thanks for this. I'll be trying it out this evening


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Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: drlucas on July 31, 2015, 06:48:58 PM
I must be missing something fundamental...I have in the past configured the LED Panels tab. Do I need to set them to 1x6 and enable it?


The fields are mainly self-explanatory. colorOrder and invertedData are not yet supported but will be when I commit my local changes.

In the list of panels, the output number and panel number are 0-7 values for the Octoscroller.  The x and y offsets for each panel are 0-based from the top left of the display.  Orientation is 'L' for left, 'R' for right, 'N' for normal and 'U' for upside down.  The row and col values are used for the current UI, they aren't used by the backend code.
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: CaptainMurdoch on July 31, 2015, 07:24:59 PM
You need to enable then just paste the config I gave into the channeloutputs.json file and restart fppd and it should work.
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: drlucas on July 31, 2015, 07:33:55 PM
OK - in xlights, top left starting corner, and horizontal matrix, 48 strings, 64 nodes per string?
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: CaptainMurdoch on July 31, 2015, 07:42:46 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: drlucas on July 31, 2015, 07:51:14 PM
OK...so clearly something isn't right then for me :)

I'll post a picture /video of what I'm seeing. basically text in the preview window in xlights looks good, but when i look at the matrix itself text is upside down
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: drlucas on July 31, 2015, 07:55:11 PM
I made the L's R's and the U's Ns and it looks to be working nicely now!!

Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: drlucas on July 31, 2015, 07:59:30 PM
https://vimeo.com/135105735 (https://vimeo.com/135105735)

Hmmm. Almost. See video. Text looked fine because I wasn't using the bottom two panels


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Title: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: CaptainMurdoch on July 31, 2015, 08:03:02 PM
Swap the X offsets for the 5th and 6th panel.  Maybe I had them backwards as I was translating front/back view in my head.  And put the orientations back the way they were if you swapped N for U on those two.
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: drlucas on July 31, 2015, 08:03:39 PM
Ok. Just put the Us back and we are golden!!

Thanks Chris!!!

https://vimeo.com/135105882 (https://vimeo.com/135105882)

Code: [Select]
{
"channelOutputs": [
{
"type": "LEDPanelMatrix",
"subType": "LEDscapeMatrix",
"enabled": 1,
"startChannel": 1,
"channelCount": 9216,
"colorOrder": "RGB",
"invertedData": 0,
"panelWidth": 32,
"panelHeight": 16,
"panels": [
{
"outputNumber": 0,
"panelNumber": 0,
"xOffset": 48,
"yOffset": 0,
"orientation": "R",
"row": 0,
"col": 0
},
{
"outputNumber": 0,
"panelNumber": 1,
"xOffset": 32,
"yOffset": 0,
"orientation": "R",
"row": 0,
"col": 1
},
{
"outputNumber": 0,
"panelNumber": 2,
"xOffset": 16,
"yOffset": 0,
"orientation": "R",
"row": 0,
"col": 2
},
{
"outputNumber": 0,
"panelNumber": 3,
"xOffset": 0,
"yOffset": 0,
"orientation": "R",
"row": 0,
"col": 3
},
{
"outputNumber": 0,
"panelNumber": 4,
"xOffset": 0,
"yOffset": 32,
"orientation": "U",
"row": 0,
"col": 4
},
{
"outputNumber": 0,
"panelNumber": 5,
"xOffset": 32,
"yOffset": 32,
"orientation": "U",
"row": 0,
"col": 5
}
]
}
]
}
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: CaptainMurdoch on July 31, 2015, 08:06:44 PM
Great.  At the Expo, not of the things demonstrated was the ability to put the panels anywhere in the matrix area.  I had one panel offset by 16 pixels so it was in the middle of the two panels above it and the effects still lined up properly.  The LEDscape library we are using is flexible, the hard part will be making a UI that can take advantage of that flexibility.  :)
Title: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: drlucas on July 31, 2015, 08:19:25 PM
I have the offset and panel position figured out in my head. The L/R/U/N concept is still going to take some time. My 4x6 matrix is working nicely so I think I'm pretty much done now with my p10 setup for the season. Now it's time to go back and finish building the case/mounting Hardware.

And a word to the wise....cable management at the back of the panel is important. I still am kicking myself for pulling that power connector off the one BBB.

Do love the flexibility and ease  with the way we can setup panels.
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: drlucas on August 01, 2015, 04:00:03 PM
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/01/dd91df975fb8820deaeec1bf483f895d.jpg)

Today I finished up with the wiring on the BBB and matrix. What I bought was a $2 barrel connector and wired the BBB to the psu that powers the panels. It is a 70a / 350w supply so complete overkill for 6 panels but I am content with the setup.

I'll never again have to worry about pulling the power brick or tripping over it ever again :)


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Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: patdelaney on August 02, 2015, 07:57:35 AM
DR. - will this now go in some sort of a case or will it be hanging inside?
Pat
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: drlucas on August 02, 2015, 04:04:46 PM
Great question......
DR. - will this now go in some sort of a case or will it be hanging inside?
Pat

Last year I did projection inside one window, but I think I'm going to use this one panel instead and look at whole house projection options. 

My other 24 panel matrix will for sure have a case built for it.

If I do make a case for this on too which is still possible, i'm thinking I may have to use 2x6 and not 2x4s as I wanted to originally because of the depth of the PSU.
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: drlucas on August 03, 2015, 04:00:16 PM
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/03/4ed402f1e3f79eca8661f00c8261217c.jpg)

Big brother is now cleaned up (aka I've cleaned up the wiring nightmare and powered the BBB from the power supply.




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Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: CaptainMurdoch on August 03, 2015, 09:21:08 PM
Big brother is now cleaned up (aka I've cleaned up the wiring nightmare and powered the BBB from the power supply.

Got to love that terminal strip that doubles as the left vertical support. :)
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: Gilrock on August 08, 2015, 12:15:14 PM
Well I'm kinda figuring it out on the fly.  Instead of brackets I decided to dust off the CNC and I cut out a piece of 1/4" plexiglas for mounting the panels.  Luckily all the holes lined up.  I cut some angled aluminum to attach along the sides which I will use to screw into whatever type of waterproof frame I build.

(http://www.threebuttes.com/Extras/P10PanelsMounted.jpg)
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: CaptainMurdoch on August 08, 2015, 12:59:48 PM
Very nice.
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: drlucas on August 08, 2015, 02:08:37 PM
Nice indeed! Do you have a drawing that you used for the CNC machine you can share?
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: Gilrock on August 08, 2015, 08:27:04 PM
Sure I could provide what I created.  What format do people normally need?  I'm using Aspire from Vectric and it looks like I can export as EPS, DXF, AI, and SVG vector formats.  One thing I wish I had done is cutout the holes for the little plastic tips that were on the boards.  I ended up cutting them off of my boards.  It wouldn't be hard to add them into the drawing.  I didn't have a drawing for the panel to go by so I used calipers.  The weird thing is the bottom screw holes all seems to be in perfect intervals with 90mm spacing and 70mm from each edge.   But the side holes seemed a little closer than 90mm for some reason.  I ended up using 89mm but it a little tight for some of the screws.  I just measured another panel and it seems closer to 88.6mm.  Not sure why they didn't make it 90mm on the sides to match the bottom and top.  It helps if you cut the holes a little larger like 4mm.  I used a 1/8" bit so it was about 3.175mm and I was using 3mm screws.  I used the 4mm bit with a hand drill whenever the side holes were looking a little tight.
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: Gilrock on August 08, 2015, 08:35:40 PM
I exported the vectors into several formats.   You should be able to pull them from here.  Let me know if you'd like something changed or anything that needs to be fixed.  Would be nice to get some baseline drawings that others can use.

http://www.mediafire.com/?n55fqava1aq33
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: drlucas on August 08, 2015, 08:54:36 PM
dxf is perfect....thank you for sharing!!!

I can import that in qcad and work with it. Now i'll go back to the local guy in town and see if he can do anything with it for me. Not that I'm lazy, I just don't have a machine. Add it to my wish list :)
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: Gilrock on August 08, 2015, 10:22:37 PM
I bought my plastic a little oversized and let the machine do a profile cut to trim it to the perfect size.  By the way if you look at the drawing there are 4 oddball holes...2 near the left edge and two more 870mm over.   That's because my machine can only cut 4'x4' pieces so I used those as registration holes since I had to do the toolpaths in two tiles.
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: Gilrock on August 11, 2015, 07:18:12 AM
Wiring completed:

(http://www.threebuttes.com/Extras/P10_wiring.jpg)

Plus a test video I rendered in xLights using the Picture effect.  Couple things to point out the cellphone I used actually picks up the scan lines so those horizontal lines you see in the videos don't show up to the human eye.  Also I used ffmpeg to resize the video so it left a little black space at the top and bottom so the panel is not fully illuminated in the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgdf0s4aiaE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgdf0s4aiaE)
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: Gilrock on August 11, 2015, 07:58:49 AM
By the way I had a lot of strange behavior trying to get my BBB running yesterday.  I guess I need to try to look at the logs.  It didn't seem to always boot up cleanly.  Sometimes I'm not getting a webpage and when that happens the board seems to always have 2 blue lights on solid instead of flashing like normal.  I was using that IPScan program and it seemed like it kept wanting to grab a different IP address.  It was bouncing between 2 different IP addresses and I swear sometimes both IP addresses were showing up in IPScan.  Sometimes the name was FPP and sometimes FPP-4 and sometimes both were there.  I had one time when I was able to control the lights but the webpage wouldn't serve up.  It was driving me crazy.
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: Steve Gase on August 11, 2015, 09:57:36 AM
By the way I had a lot of strange behavior trying to get my BBB running yesterday.  I guess I need to try to look at the logs.  It didn't seem to always boot up cleanly.  Sometimes I'm not getting a webpage and when that happens the board seems to always have 2 blue lights on solid instead of flashing like normal.  I was using that IPScan program and it seemed like it kept wanting to grab a different IP address.  It was bouncing between 2 different IP addresses and I swear sometimes both IP addresses were showing up in IPScan.  Sometimes the name was FPP and sometimes FPP-4 and sometimes both were there.  I had one time when I was able to control the lights but the webpage wouldn't serve up.  It was driving me crazy.
I saw this sort of behavior as well.  it started when I moved from master to stage, and I couldn't get it resolved until i reimaged the bbb.
i originally had the ethernet nic configured for 192.168.1.114 ...  it no longer responded on that ip, and ipscan told me it had 192.168.1.11 -AND- 192.168.1.13.
rebooting didn't help.  BOTH of those addresses were reachable with ssh and ping.  ifconfig showed 192.168.1.11.  the fp config file showed 192.168.1.114

the /etc/hosts file didn't have the hostname updated.  I had used "FPP-P10A".  The command prompt was messed up too... fpp sometimes... and fppp10a other times.

i thought my router/switch might have gotten confused with its arp table.

anyway, no problems after reimaging.
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: CaptainMurdoch on August 11, 2015, 11:52:16 AM
I saw this sort of behavior as well.  it started when I moved from master to stage, and I couldn't get it resolved until i reimaged the bbb.

Stage was a bit behind for a week or so, but has been updated so it may have been something related to prior merge.  There are currently no differences between stage and master.
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: arw01 on September 10, 2015, 11:36:47 PM
Did anyone find an outside source to print the stl files for the P10 mounting brackets designed up by the Aussie members?

Was working on making some from wood tonight and would like to just order them.

Alan
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: twooly on September 11, 2015, 07:19:11 AM
Shapeways.com does that service.  Haven't used them myself but thought I would throw it out there
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: Frankr on September 11, 2015, 10:11:27 AM
I looked into shapeways and it was expensive.  I think like $20+ for each piece.

Frank
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: Charles Belcher on September 11, 2015, 10:45:55 AM
I looked into shapeways and it was expensive.  I think like $20+ for each piece.

Frank
My local library does 3d printing for the cost of the materials
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: CaptainMurdoch on September 11, 2015, 10:54:01 AM
My local library does 3d printing for the cost of the materials

I was about to mention that.  My local library (in a town of only 11,000) does something similar.  I haven't used it before, but have been thinking about it.

I picked up a bunch of the U channel for the adjustable shelving the other day at a garage sale.  I think I got about $200 worth of shelving, brackets, and track for $20.  I have more track than needed for the shelving so I will probably use the xtra track for a future P10 panel layout.
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: neilric99 on September 11, 2015, 11:21:02 AM
I suspect that James at Boscoyo Studios is looking at producing some P10 panel brackets.
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: drlucas on September 11, 2015, 06:23:17 PM
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/11/707c145f2402e0d9555219449bf92d4c.jpg)

(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/11/06798512dadef1e2e4fa54cded20b74e.jpg)

(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/11/651f3fb999aa2bf1c3d9e7412cfeb016.jpg)

https://vimeo.com/139037464 (https://vimeo.com/139037464)

My 6x4 matrix is coming together nicely. I had my local plastic shop cut a 53x40 1/4" acrylic sheet for me and screwed it down tonight. Some pictures are included to see what things look like.

I think 1/4" was overkill but if the neighbourhood kids shoot a hockey puck at the matrix it should just bounce off and not hurt anything :)


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Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: neilric99 on September 20, 2015, 04:33:00 PM
James at Boscoyostudio.com has designed some special brackets to mount the P10 panels http://doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/showthread.php?39556-new-P10-Matrix-Makers-by-Boscoyo-Studio
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: drlucas on September 21, 2015, 07:11:59 PM
Nifty work he does!!
Title: Re: how are people mounting their P10 matrices?
Post by: shanebou24 on March 06, 2017, 05:34:59 PM
work in progress but all 3d printed