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Falcon Christmas => Falcon NEO (PI Matrix Board) => Topic started by: Jeffl on January 05, 2016, 07:55:17 PM

Title: Plexiglas for P10 matrix
Post by: Jeffl on January 05, 2016, 07:55:17 PM
Two questions on P10 panel matrix.

If you order the outdoor panels will the seams of the panels seal up tight enough on the front so that just an enclosure on the sides and back is enough?

If you order the indoor panels.  Where do you get large pieces of Plexiglas at a reasonable price?
Title: Re: Plexiglas for P10 matrix
Post by: Livermore-Dad on January 05, 2016, 07:57:18 PM
Two questions on P10 panel matrix.

If you order the outdoor panels will the seams of the panels seal up tight enough on the front so that just an enclosure on the sides and back is enough?

If you order the indoor panels.  Where do you get large pieces of Plexiglas at a reasonable price?

Outdoor panels are suppose to be water tight on the face, the back is what needs special care.

Taps plastic and I think even the big box stores have large panels of plexiglass

Tory
Title: Re: Plexiglas for P10 matrix
Post by: Phrog30 on January 05, 2016, 08:13:49 PM
Two questions on P10 panel matrix.

If you order the outdoor panels will the seams of the panels seal up tight enough on the front so that just an enclosure on the sides and back is enough?

If you order the indoor panels.  Where do you get large pieces of Plexiglas at a reasonable price?
As stated, Lowes and home Depot have sheets. You may want to consider lexan, it's easier to work with, plexiglass can shatter, lexan is more forgiving.

You can also check grainger and McMaster Carr.

James

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Title: Re: Plexiglas for P10 matrix
Post by: Jeffl on January 05, 2016, 08:26:43 PM
Any idea on what thickness is desired or a minimum that should be used?
Title: Re: Plexiglas for P10 matrix
Post by: Livermore-Dad on January 05, 2016, 08:46:38 PM
Any idea on what thickness is desired or a minimum that should be used?

Good question not sure, and then there is the concept of using a sealer or gasket.. I'm not sure there is a lot of info on these panels being outside yet. I know there are less than a handful of posters that created full  kits for their panels. Not sure how they faired

Tory
Title: Re: Plexiglas for P10 matrix
Post by: CaptainMurdoch on January 05, 2016, 08:59:04 PM
I think there is more than a handful, I have seen quite a few enclosure pictures on here.
Title: Re: Plexiglas for P10 matrix
Post by: Gerry on January 05, 2016, 08:59:23 PM
I saw a couple of posts of folks here in Australia who simply used ordinary plastic (ie the pliable type that you use as a "table cloth cover") on the front of the panels , tucked into a wooden frame and the back covered with ply wood or similar.

Probably cause the hard plastic referred to in this thread costs an arm and a leg here. Am going to try that for next (hmm.. this) year.

Title: Re: Plexiglas for P10 matrix
Post by: rlemery on January 05, 2016, 09:06:52 PM
I used .o93 Lexan it is easy for your local shop to sher to size.  I made a box with 1x6s and used a table saw to cut a track  1/8 wide for the Lexan to slide into.  Sealed it with  silicon. 15 inches of rain the last 6 weeks with no water issues. My size is 4 panels hi x 5 panels wide. If I make another I might go 1/4 tk. It was tricky getting the .093 to go in. Very flexible.

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Title: Re: Plexiglas for P10 matrix
Post by: rlemery on January 05, 2016, 09:08:20 PM
I payed approximately  65$ each for 4x8 sheets . Purchase from a local plastic supplier.  Piedmont plastics.

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Title: Re: Plexiglas for P10 matrix
Post by: Livermore-Dad on January 05, 2016, 09:19:11 PM
I think there is more than a handful, I have seen quite a few enclosure pictures on here.

Let's call them out :)))

Tory
Title: Re: Plexiglas for P10 matrix
Post by: Jeffl on January 05, 2016, 09:21:54 PM
I have seen a few.  Gil is one who I think created a Jumbotron this year.
Title: Plexiglas for P10 matrix
Post by: CaptainMurdoch on January 05, 2016, 09:29:26 PM
Gil, Dave, Phil, Daryl, Jon, Tom, Gerry, Charles....  and that's just off the top of my head.

Actually I thought it was Gerry but now that I think about it I can't remember who made the pdf showing their panel enclosure.
Title: Re: Plexiglas for P10 matrix
Post by: mararunr on January 06, 2016, 06:21:18 AM
I did it with wood frame and plastic shower curtain from Walmart $5.  Tons of rain and freezing temps no problem.  Two 4x1 tune to signs.  I did shower curtain because of cost and knowing I would be redoing them this year (changing to 3x4 tune to signs, and making 7x7 matrix).  Shower curtain worked great!

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Title: Re: Plexiglas for P10 matrix
Post by: uzelessknowledge on January 08, 2016, 12:03:37 PM
P10 Panel 7x6 (224x96 pixels)
http://nutcracker123.com/forum/index.php?topic=1828

I've seen this in person and it's nice.
Title: Re: Plexiglas for P10 matrix
Post by: mello_roberto on January 08, 2016, 12:46:37 PM
Any idea on what thickness is desired or a minimum that should be used?

This is the Polycarbonate I used.

http://www.mcmaster.com/#8574k125/=10lggum

Title: Re: Plexiglas for P10 matrix
Post by: arw01 on January 08, 2016, 02:43:13 PM
Shipping cost had to be bugger for a 4x8 sheet?
Title: Re: Plexiglas for P10 matrix
Post by: Gilrock on January 08, 2016, 03:15:28 PM
This is one photo showing my two panels at a weird angle.
(http://www.threebuttes.com/Extras/P10_case.jpg)

I used the 0.093" stuff also.  Not sure if it was Lexan or Plexiglas.  I designed it with the plastic butted up directly in front of the panels.  Nobody could tell anything was in front of the lights because several people asked me if there was anything there to protect them.  One thing I have noticed about the plastic is the stuff I get from Home Depot doesn't seem to cut as nice as whatever it is they sell me at the local plastic shop.  When I try to cut the Home Depot stuff with my CNC router it wants to melt onto the bit.  No problem with the stuff from the shop.
Title: Re: Plexiglas for P10 matrix
Post by: Gilrock on January 08, 2016, 03:17:00 PM
Oh and my plastic is mounted by routing an 1/8" groove in all the composite boards.  The larger piece of plastic got scratched when it fell over in the garage but you couldn't see it at all or otherwise it probably would have bugged me enough to change it.
Title: Re: Plexiglas for P10 matrix
Post by: Gilrock on January 08, 2016, 03:19:00 PM
I also ended up sealing off the back side using plexiglass.  I used weather stripping and then screwed it down.
Title: Re: Plexiglas for P10 matrix
Post by: Livermore-Dad on January 08, 2016, 03:52:07 PM
This is one photo showing my two panels at a weird angle.
(http://www.threebuttes.com/Extras/P10_case.jpg)

I used the 0.093" stuff also.  Not sure if it was Lexan or Plexiglas.  I designed it with the plastic butted up directly in front of the panels.  Nobody could tell anything was in front of the lights because several people asked me if there was anything there to protect them.  One thing I have noticed about the plastic is the stuff I get from Home Depot doesn't seem to cut as nice as whatever it is they sell me at the local plastic shop.  When I try to cut the Home Depot stuff with my CNC router it wants to melt onto the bit.  No problem with the stuff from the shop.

Super nice looking, really well done. And I love that your design has no gaps, which you get with the boscoy mounts.

Tory
Title: Re: Plexiglas for P10 matrix
Post by: Gilrock on January 08, 2016, 04:03:46 PM
Yeah there was no such thing as Boscoyo mounts when I started building my panel.  I have a CNC router so I designed a solid sheet of plastic with cutouts for the connectors and holes to fit the panel pattern.
(http://www.threebuttes.com/Extras/P10PanelsMounted.jpg)
Title: Re: Plexiglas for P10 matrix
Post by: Gilrock on January 08, 2016, 04:04:50 PM
Then wired it up.

(http://www.threebuttes.com/Extras/P10_wiring.jpg)
Title: Re: Plexiglas for P10 matrix
Post by: rlemery on January 08, 2016, 04:05:54 PM
Lexan is easier to cut than plexiglass.  Plexiglass is very brittle.  I have a sheer in my shop and it only took about 5 minutes to set up and sheer to size. I'm sure if you have a shop in your area that they would sheer it very inexpensively.  I also used .093 and cut the slots in the boards using a table saw.  Planning to remove the back panel  and cutting a opening in the back where the BBB is then cutting the back off a cg500 case and mounting to Lexan so I have easy access to it.

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Title: Re: Plexiglas for P10 matrix
Post by: dkulp on January 08, 2016, 04:07:02 PM
I uploaded pictures of mine a while ago to:

http://falconchristmas.com/forum/index.php/topic,3783.msg40300.html#msg40300

Mine is made entirely of plastic.   1/4" Black acrylic for the back/sides and 1/8" clear polycarbonate for the front.  Basically, whatever I found cheapest from Amazon Prime.  :-)    It's all cut on a table saw and then glued together with the special plastic glue. 
Title: Re: Plexiglas for P10 matrix
Post by: mello_roberto on January 09, 2016, 05:48:03 AM
Yeah there was no such thing as Boscoyo mounts when I started building my panel.  I have a CNC router so I designed a solid sheet of plastic with cutouts for the connectors and holes to fit the panel pattern.


Gil, how big is your CNC router?
Title: Re: Plexiglas for P10 matrix
Post by: Gilrock on January 09, 2016, 01:39:46 PM
Yeah there was no such thing as Boscoyo mounts when I started building my panel.  I have a CNC router so I designed a solid sheet of plastic with cutouts for the connectors and holes to fit the panel pattern.


Gil, how big is your CNC router?

My router can do a 4'x4' sheet.  My P10 panel was larger than that but the design software allows you to split the job so I just add a couple registration holes that are out of the way and run the job in two steps.
Title: Re: Plexiglas for P10 matrix
Post by: mello_roberto on January 09, 2016, 01:53:56 PM
Yeah there was no such thing as Boscoyo mounts when I started building my panel.  I have a CNC router so I designed a solid sheet of plastic with cutouts for the connectors and holes to fit the panel pattern.


Gil, how big is your CNC router?

My router can do a 4'x4' sheet.  My P10 panel was larger than that but the design software allows you to split the job so I just add a couple registration holes that are out of the way and run the job in two steps.
That's awesome, I am assuming is a DIY project :-)
Title: Re: Plexiglas for P10 matrix
Post by: Unibits on January 21, 2016, 05:58:34 PM
I found www.proplas.com the other day.  I am looking for a 4' by 8' sheet of lexan to cover my matrix and some other things.  They have just about every possible configuration and thickness. 

Their prices seem reasonable.  I think the shipping with be the deciding factor for most.  I am lucky as I can go to one of their remote offices and pick up a sheet or two and not have any shipping cost.

Cheers



Title: Re: Plexiglas for P10 matrix
Post by: Phrog30 on January 21, 2016, 06:30:06 PM
I found www.proplas.com the other day.  I am looking for a 4' by 8' sheet of lexan to cover my matrix and some other things.  They have just about every possible configuration and thickness. 

Their prices seem reasonable.  I think the shipping with be the deciding factor for most.  I am lucky as I can go to one of their remote offices and pick up a sheet or two and not have any shipping cost.

Cheers
You should be able to get a 4x8 sheet at Lowes or home Depot. It might not be as cheap, but you won't have any shipping costs.

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Title: Re: Plexiglas for P10 matrix
Post by: Phrog30 on January 21, 2016, 06:31:11 PM
I found www.proplas.com the other day.  I am looking for a 4' by 8' sheet of lexan to cover my matrix and some other things.  They have just about every possible configuration and thickness. 

Their prices seem reasonable.  I think the shipping with be the deciding factor for most.  I am lucky as I can go to one of their remote offices and pick up a sheet or two and not have any shipping cost.

Cheers
You should be able to get a 4x8 sheet at Lowes or home Depot. It might not be as cheap, but you won't have any shipping costs.

James

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Geez, I must be blind, didn't see that you live near that place. Oops. :-\

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Title: Re: Plexiglas for P10 matrix
Post by: Unibits on January 21, 2016, 06:34:17 PM
All good.

They have offices all over the US.. Check their website.  From Houston to buffalo to California. 

Title: Re: Plexiglas for P10 matrix
Post by: Gilrock on January 22, 2016, 07:53:05 AM
In Tucson I go to Port Plastics which used to be called Creative Plastics.
Title: Re: Plexiglas for P10 matrix
Post by: AussiePhil on January 26, 2016, 10:45:38 PM
My 5x5 and 3x1 were both covered with clear vinyl .5mm thick from memory, it's tough as, has now survive two hail storms, smallish ones mind you and lots of rain, that stuff is super tough.

The only thing I hate about it and normal clear plastics as well is the reflective nature of it, my house faces west so have to deal with setting sun and a street light across the road.

Looking to source non-reflective sign Perspex this year, friend is working in the industry now :)

Title: Re: Plexiglas for P10 matrix
Post by: smccoy on May 15, 2016, 08:26:31 AM
My 5x5 and 3x1 were both covered with clear vinyl .5mm thick from memory, it's tough as, has now survive two hail storms, smallish ones mind you and lots of rain, that stuff is super tough.

The only thing I hate about it and normal clear plastics as well is the reflective nature of it, my house faces west so have to deal with setting sun and a street light across the road.

Looking to source non-reflective sign Perspex this year, friend is working in the industry now :)


Do you have any build details on your setup?  I have been thinking of going the vinyl route myself and am curious how you sealed it to the frame.